Hello and welcome back to Drilled. I'm Amy Westervelt.

This season we are making our way through the book Climate Obstruction, a Global Survey.

I'm getting ready to head to the annual UN Climate Summit, the COP or Conference of the Parties in November.

And to prep for it, I am reading up on all of the research

so far about climate obstruction and how it works around the world. In today's episode, a really

important topic, especially for this year's cop, which is how climate obstruction works in the global south and how some of these

structures in place continue to privilege global north countries over global south countries

when we're talking about climate negotiations, which then makes it that much harder to even

talk about climate policy in the global South without

it seeming like something that is patently unfair. Joining me to talk about this today are two

leading experts on this question. They oversaw a chapter in this book that pulls together all

the research that we have so far on it.

Ruth McKee from De Montfort University and Omar Farouk at Queens University in Canada.

Our conversation is coming up after this quick break.

I'm going to ask you a really, really dumb basic question, and that is, please define Global South for us. Let's set the context here.

That basic question is probably a very big question.

So I think for us setting it out into the context of this chapter,

we see the Global South in its geopolitical sense.

So it's a group of countries that have a history of colonialism, neo-imperialism.

And so that historical context of non-Western nations that now sit within a very different economic and social structure to Western nations that really,

it's driven by political and economic marginalisation, which then in turn has implications, at least for us in our case how it then stands with

addressing climate the climate crisis so we can't see the global south and global south countries

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