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The Untold Story with Martha McCallum, exclusive interviews with top newsmakers who share their inspiring stories of perseverance, positivity, and more.

Now, here's Martha McCallum.

As our nation searches for answers in the wake of two mass shootings, A recent Gallup poll found church membership is at an

all-time low in America. Just 50% of Americans belong to a church or other religious institution.

That's down 20% over the past two decades. My next guest, Bishop Robert Barron, is known by some as the Bishop of Social Media. His website, podcast,

and YouTube shows reach of millions of people every day. And I am often one of them. In fact,

the Wall Street Journal says only Pope Francis is more popular with English-speaking Catholics

than Bishop Barron. His latest book is called

Letter to a Suffering Church. He encourages Catholics to stay and fight for their faith and their church.

Bishop Barron joins me now with his untold story.

So let's begin with what you call the second greatest crisis in the Catholic Church. You say that

the decline in church going among Catholics is the emptying of the pews being the bitter fruit

of the dumbing down of our faith. Can you explain that? Yeah, it's at least one reason for it. So I've been tracing this for a long time.

I say the second greatest problem, because the first one is the sex abuse crisis.

But number two is this rather massive attrition of our own people, especially the young.

And there are a lot of causes for it.

But a primary one, I think, is the dumbing down that's happened.

Oh, the past maybe 40 years or so in our catechesis, in our instruction of the faith?

Because you talk to the young people and you ask them, now how come you're leaving the church?

I'm always surprised to see very close to the top, if not at the very top, is we don't agree

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