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Hello and welcome to another episode of the Ezra Klein Show.

Sort of.

We've got something special and unusual for you this week.

Sarah Cliff, my colleague, who is my co-host on the fabulous podcast Weeds,

went and interviewed Sylvia Matthews Burwell, the Secretary of Health and Human Services.

Secretary Burwell has, I think, maybe the hardest job in government.

Certainly one of them, she runs Medicare.

She runs Medicaid.

She runs Obamacare and the many, many, many, many, many other health programs.

The government has.

In this interview, Sarah talks to her about all of that, about what she's learned and management,

about how she runs these programs, about what is going on with Obamacare's marketplaces.

If you have ever wanted to know what it is actually like to sit atop the federal government's

massive healthcare apparatus and it is massive, you should very much listen to this interview.

Sarah does a great job and I am very excited to present it here.

Before getting to the interview, as always, a couple quick requests.

Please check out our other podcast The Weeds, which Sarah is, as I mentioned, my co-host

on.

We go much deeper into policy every week there.

Please continue to share this podcast on social media, on email, put it on the Facebook.

Finally, continue to email me at Ezra Klein Show at Vox.com with feedback suggestions.

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