Today guys, I am joined by the incredible survivor of Auschwitz, Dr. Edith Eger. Now, because the woman is 97 years old, we actually asked her grandson Jordan to come and join us on this podcast to help us with the stories. So without further ado, let's dive in right now with Dr. Edith and her grandson Jordan. At the age of 16, you are ripped from your family by Nazis and taken to Auschwitz. And you tell a heartbreaking story where the Nazi God asks you, if the woman next to you is your mother or your sister. When you answer mother, they then split you up and they say, don't worry, she's just going to take a shower. After realizing that the consequences you go on to say, I can forgive the Nazis, but how can I forgive myself? So Dr. Edie, how on earth did you build such resilience to be able to face evil, let go of the hay and finally forgive yourself? There was a time when I shook my fist to God. I don't think the forgiveness came without rage. I didn't get over it. I'm not getting over it, but I don't live there. I know that, and if I could have really said something, I would have, but I said to myself, you know, why didn't I was able to bring my mother here? Because everybody after forty had to stand in this line and everybody with family to this line. And if we would have let our mother go alone, she would have gotten through. So you know, I could have, I would have, you can kill yourself by putting yourself down what you could have done and you didn't. If you knew then what you know now, you would have done things differently. I hope you will learn to forgive yourself that you're human. And I'm not running away from it. And I just want to be sure that just as ordinary as anybody, I decided that it's not to live for. That's amazing. And in reading your book, I don't know if you meant for it to be somewhat of a, it's like a rule book of how to handle adversity. So I've written it as if it's the rules of resilience. And so number one is you just say you chose life. How do you choose life in that situation? Because love can't conquer all. I asked you a while ago, right over there, when I was having a conversation with you, and I asked you this, and I loved... She gave me me a moment that gave me chills and I'll never forget it. And I asked you, I said, did you ever believe that you wouldn't survive? And what did you say? Never. Never. You had that. It was just a question of time. I absolutely have no other way of looking at it as a place where I am in a school room and wanting to be sure that I get through here. I did not even think about that I will not. Do you think that that was such a big part of what allowed you to survive is not even giving yourself an option? It is, you know, we're going to be dead for a long time. So while I'm here, I'm going to use every moment to touch people and hug people. And obviously it's not anything sexual. It's just really pure love as a human being to another. Because if you leave this room, nobody can really replace you. You're special, you're one of a kind. Diamond. That's so beautiful. And there really is the power of the mind that if you give yourself an option, it opens the book to potentially just giving up and dying. And when I was reading your book, there were so many moments of just resilience where I think your average person would give up and especially in today's society where people don't have that perspective. And so you feel like you're about to break if your partner leaves you or if you lose a job. And while all of these things, yes, are heart-breaking and serious, I think the way you think about things enables other people to not give up, no matter what they're going through. And so you mentioned it earlier, but one of the things I have as number two actually is how you chose to see life. And so your sister gets her head shaved and she asks you, how does she look? And yeah, you say to her, I said, you have such beautiful eyes because I didn't want to lie. I just said the truth and she does have beautiful eyes. She lived a very full life. My definition of love is the ability to let go. Let go of the need for other people's approval that you be your genuine self. Just the way you were born, and I remember my sister asked me, we were completely new then, and she asked a good Hungarian woman's question, how do I look? What I think that story is so brilliant about is you made the choice to not lie to her, but to tell her something they would give her strength. Exactly. I think today I may have but have done something differently, but I'm glad that I was able to point out that she's still good. She still has a lot of good things about her. she did that she did and she survived. Yes, I remember they gave out codes and it was February. It was a very cold place and made a good a cold. I got a cold time was to mine, she was ready to curse. And pretty soon I see that exchanging her good warm code to another one that was world-fashionable. In February, in the winter time, starting in the Czech border in 1944. And I believe I have a quote of yours, because you were mad at her, right? So she, everyone has, like, everyone's waiting for these codes. She gets given, like, the peace sort of distance, the code that everybody wants. You say that it's all buttoned up to the neck. It's all the way down to the ankles. And you say, like, the best jacket and then she goes and exchanges it for something much more revealing and actually have a quote of yours that you say, I realize that for her wearing something sexy is a better survival tool than staying warm. And the power of thinking that while one person thinks of survival as one way, it isn't that way for everybody. And sometimes the survival is feeling good about yourself. So what do you think, Mr.? Well, I think the two of you survived. And she made the decisions that were right for her. And though they didn't seem right in terms of actual survival, we are unique creatures that have more strength in our mind than in our body. You can become Mother Teresa and you can become a Hitler. It's your choice. I chose actually to pray. So the enemies would not really be ugly to us, but to be... And they were much kinder sometimes than the man were. And so it's good to choose not the way you are now, but the way you want to be sure that you're climbing that mountain and I'm not re-warving but evolving. Yeah, one of the things under your resilience that I actually have is turning hate into pity. Do you say I can see that Dr. Mengel, Angela Death, the seasoned killer who just this morning murdered my mother, is more pitiful than me. I am free in my mind, which he can never be. He will always have to live with what he's done. He is more of a prisoner than I am. How on earth are you able to have such compassion and empathy almost for somebody who on the daily basis threatened your life? How did you not have that resentment? I had a tendency to be making the bed into good and finding something good in everything. Even the 14-year-old who got up and told me, he's gonna go out and kill all the Jews. I could have taken him to the corner and step on him and tell him, what do you think you're talking to? But I didn't do that. I said one line which I see a million times, down the more. He had no idea who I was, what I was, or what I do. He was stealing cars, actually. That's how he lived. You know, this story is when Edie became a therapist. And one of the beginning, she was being asked to help with patients and the patients, they would sort of send it through the corrections facility in Texas. And this person who came to her was a white supremacist and didn't know, of course, that Edie was Jewish or he probably didn't care. But anyways, went on to say that he essentially hated everybody other than white people. And Edie had this moment where she had to find out what she could do as a therapist and as a human, not to denounce this person, which would then ultimately turn him into a wall and you're not going to get anywhere. And so she made this powerful decision after swallowing her first instinct to yell at him and beat him and said, tell me more. And I think this is a really astute method of getting from somebody what is behind their anger and it humanizes them, both to them and to you. And it opens the opportunity for them to go deeper into it. What comes out of your body doesn't make you ill, what stays in there does. So you want to hopefully practice self-love, which is kind and not narcissistic. You can be happy or you can be miserable. It's your choice. So there's one more story that I'd like to talk about in the book that I found so hilarious and funny. And I thought this is a true example, Edie, of how you have gotten to be such an incredible woman with the amount of strength that you have. But you talk about one moment when you guys were in Auschwitz and you guys have a boob competition to see who has the best breasts. And what I love about that story is just how much you're still human to try and bring the light heartedness to such a serious situation. And the power of having fun and laughing. And at the end of the day, who won the Boob competition? I did, because I was a gymnast. So I had strength. I was climbing rope. I was climbing rope. I danced for Dr. Mangala, you know, because the girls wanted to tell him, he wanted to be entertained. So they just threw me in front of him. And my Jewish teacher said, go and do your best dance ever. And you know what, I did that. I did that. I did a split. I did a disrey and that way front, back all about. And that was in 1944. As I was reading your story and you talk about that moment of the dance and you know for people who don't know necessarily who he is he was known as the angel of death and they ask you all of your you know everyone pushes you in front for you to dance for him and the moment where you say I don't know if he's about to kill me or save me how do you handle that type of pressure? Well, I'm not a handler for one thing and I do have a deep faith that people are basically good just like Anne Frank did. Many people do call me actually the Anne Frank who didn couldn't die. And I take it as a very wonderful compliment. You know, I think Edie was a performer. And in fact, if you look at her life story, it's not a surprise that she's here with us today, doing what she's doing. Because when she was a little girl, she found her strength in being a performer. She had a family that didn't give her what she probably needed which was the love and support but she found it when she was doing ballet and she found it when she was doing gymnastics and in that moment she wasn't asked to do something she didn't know how to do. She was forced under the most severe consequences imaginable to perform. And she is a performer. And it was a moment for her to... I asked her earlier, I said, Edy, did you discover who you really were in Auschwitz? Like that you were uniquely special and you said to me, I always knew I was special. I always knew I could have said that, but the specialness comes from the strength that you look at life from inside out. You're not waiting for someone make you happy. You can talk to yourself every day and be a good parent to you. Promise that you're going to do that. Don't criticize. Yes, but change the butt to an end. Yes, and I'm here. I do have another choice. The more choices you have, the less you're ever going to feel like a victim. I was victimized. It's not who I am. It was what's done to me. Sometimes I don't, I mean, I don't actually know what to respond to that, E.D., because the strength in just believing that I'm special when you have so many things that are trying to push you down. I mean, they are starving you, you're 70 pounds, you broke your back. I mean, you, you are a skeleton and you were being told every single day that you were worthless and that you were no good. And so to hear that you said that every day you told yourself that you were special is the most magical thing on the planet. How do we teach other women to tell themselves that they are special when they are being told by other people around them that they are no good? I let them know that many people can do what you can do, but not the way you can do it. See, if you leave this room, nobody can replace you. Maybe they look like you, they talk like you, but they're just only one of you, God, to be here and hopefully carry a lot of love around that people can

really seek you out if they want to be a good parent to themselves. Hmm. The idea of parenting themselves, did you learn that because you lost your parents and Auschwitz? I think it had a great deal to do with that part of my life. That changed me. I'll totally, when I was liberated, I couldn't tell you the feelings, but I am remembering myself that I was just so, so grateful to the God that helped me through this difficult time. But I didn't have time to hate the Nazis or look for the Nazis. I didn't have revenge on my mind. I had on my mind how can I be useful and do what I can do to let people know that they are survivors, otherwise they wouldn't be here. Life is not easy. Okay, so a few more things that I have on the list of how you were able to build such resilience.

So I said earlier where you showed compassion even towards the angel of death, whether you could look at him and say, he's more imprisoned than I am. But to be able to wish somebody not to have the hay and to show them such kindness like you did with that person that came into your office, Your sister once you guys were released and your sister was saying to you, I just want to kill the Germans. I want to kill a German mother because somebody, a German killed my mother. So I want to get retaliation. Help me understand the difference between somebody that wants to heal by getting revenge and someone that wants to heal like you, where you say, I have a different wish. I wish for the boy who spits at us to one day see that he doesn't have to hate. So you take you and your sister with exactly the same situation, it's the exact same thing has has happened but your sister seeks revenge and

you seek love. What do you think that those differences look like as a result? See when you go down you push somebody up more and I think it's very important what you're saying now to really become your own good parent.

It's not short term, but long term is hedonism was much better than short ones. I think you are a wonderful person to be a guide. That's what you and I do. You give people choices because the more choices you have, the less you ever going to feel like a victim. It's not my identity. I don't even have strength. So speaking of victim, obviously you had a choice to show up like a victim or say that

I don't live there. So many people have said that I've heard obviously I've never met myself but have said you know the real me was left Auschwitz or the real me was left when this one moment happened And now I'm no longer the same.

You don't though, you say no.

Auschwitz isn't the end of me.

That... was left when this one moment happened and now I'm no longer the same. You don't though, you say no. Auschwitz isn't the end of me. That isn't my story. My story actually is way bigger than this. How are you able to let go somewhat? Obviously, I understand it's never permanent, but that you were able to let go of what happened. I think my God is a wonderful parent to me. That makes me a good parent with myself and be my own good mother. That I may want to eat more, or I want to do something more than stay up all night and finish that book. I have to become very good with myself as being a very human loving mom. Eighty you have a wonderful term which I think is, which is, it's not about getting over it. It's about coming to terms with it. That is the unforgiveness without rage. You got to go through it, but don't get stuck in it. I don't live in Auschwitz, obviously. But I will never forget the time when I stepped out. I went and revisited every place I was while I was interning there and went back to Austria, went to Mount Hausen, and I think it's very good for me to be 97 and speak as much as I can while I'm still around. Yeah, what makes it powerful for them for you to be able to look back? How is that powerful when many people look back at things and it hurts them so much they can't

look.

But you went back to Auschwitz like and everyone was warning you don't do it but you said no no I need to. How were you able to do that and was that part of your healing process? And what I do is revisit the places where I've been,

relieve the experience and revise your life. You don't get stuck in there. I go through it. I get out of it. I don't live in Auschwitz. I don't care to go back to Auschwitz. I've done what I thought it's finished for me. I don't care to go back to our streets. I've done what I felt. It's finished for me. I don't have to go back near even because I've done it and it's enough. I live in a present I can only touch you now. A lot of us don't live in the present though. I think a lot of us actually either live in the past or we live in the future. We have pain from the past that we either keep revisiting, keep revisiting over and over and we can no longer break free or we want to shut out the past and only think of the future, the one day, one day, one day, but we just live in that moment of one day. How are you able to live every single day in true authenticity and really feel it? I think I have a good God that gives me that kind of a present that I have the ability to do what I'm doing. And I am very grateful for every moment I have. When I get up in the morning, I want to be sure. And the evening I'm going to be very satisfied. I don't say yes but I say yes and change the butt to an end. Media, I remember you saying that when you went back to Auschwitz, you had a breakthrough that you were not being controlled anymore by your past. And for you, that was what it took to essentially break the hold that that story, particularly the story of the guilt that you felt for your mother to release the hold that it had on you. And from there, you were able to start talking about your experience, which she had never talked about during my mom's entire childhood. She never spoke about Auschwitz, but now you can. You can go to the worst moment of your life, that moment in front of Dr. Mengele. You can talk about it. She can go through it because, and I think this is what's the huge reason that you can go to that story is because you are helping other people with it. You're not just going into the wound to pick it and see how it feels. You are, you are doing it in service of others. And so it's worth going into that hurt. So what are the lessons actually then, Edie, that you, when you started to have your own children? What did you learn from your past, all the horrors that you had gone through? And what were the important things that you wanted to teach your children and your grandchildren to make sure that they knew from your experience that you had learned? Get rid of two words, always and never. I'm never going to do this again. Believe me, they say, have it, you're going to do it again. Just be kind to yourself. I think that's very important. But before I speak, I ask, is it necessary or is it kind or both? And if it's not, don't say it. So I talk to myself. Eda, you have a, is it important? Is it necessary and is it kind? And if not, don't say it. And there's an acronym for that, which one of the students from our course came up with, which is really useful, is ink, INK. And you can ask yourself that little question before you speak, especially to somebody that you might set off with what you have to say, is this important? Is it necessary? Is it kind? Or is it chitchat? Is it banter? Is it gossip? Is it dark? And if you ask yourself those three questions before you speak, you can sort of make yourself a more enlightened person in the eyes of yourself and maybe others. And I think that's part of your philosophy and part of how you exist in this world, which Edie is not a chit-chat person. She'd rather sit in silence. We were driving to LA for a big interview and I'm talking to her about the thing and she says to me and I wanted to die because it was the challenge of life. And she says, Jordan, I'd really rather sit in silence.

And I was like, I like to shove silence and and some people are scared of silence. And they want to keep themselves from being scared. So when did you learn to fear? Love and fear does not go as is. I think people don't like the silence for multiple reasons. We don't like being uncomfortable and sometimes we don't want to give space to just thought and emotion. And so I think we try to fill those spaces with something so that no one feels, no one thinks, no one has emotions and then you can continue. So the fact that you actually like the silence, better than Chit-Chah is so powerful to think how comfortable you are with being with yourself when many women are not. Thank you guys so much. The work that you've done is changing so many people's lives and to think that at 97, you are still showing up and impacting people's lives and changing the way that we feel about ourselves. So Edie, thank you so much. This has been the most incredible honor. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much, guys, for listening to that episode with me and Dr. Edith Edgar. Oh my God, it was absolutely mind-blowing. Now, to give you guys a double dose of absolute, just mind-blowing inspiration today, stay tuned with my girl, the Powerhouse Inspiration Lisa Nichols, where we go into the fact that life doesn't end at 60, it actually begins at 60. I've heard you talk about the unwelcome interruptions and so a lot of us have all these plans of what we're about to do and our goals and our dreams and we're on the path and then the unexpected. And a lot of people I am finding are going into a space which I would call complacency, but I've heard you beautifully speak about the confusion between self love and complacency. And where people are calling something self love, but actually it's them being complacent and not then taken action. And because I see you as the queen of action, help us all Lisa, help us all. Yes, well, you know, I first of all, thank you for having me. Thank you for creating the space for the conversation, the awareness, the disruption, the call to action and the challenge. Because that's what you experienced several years ago when you saw me with your wonderful husband is that I was I'm willing to inspire, but I want to inspire to a place of disrupting. I want to disrupt any form of mediocrity in your cells. Right? I want, I want mediocrity to be uncomfortable in the space that you're in. And so, so coming to you talking about complacency, we have a tendency to analyze where we think we should be and never move forward of where we could be because we're busy analyzing. Benjamin Franklin says, comparison isn't always be the thief of all your joy. We not only analyze where we are, Lisa, but we analyze where the person next to us and the other person next to us. We analyze where so we're such a comparison community. You know, you talked about, you know, looking at Oprah and looking at Lady Gaga and looking at all these heroes. And while we need them as a marker of possibility, and that's all we are, we're each a marker of possibility for one another, right? And it gives us the ability to go what part in my soul, what part in my mindset, what part in my daily behavior, do I have an opportunity to up level so I can touch a glimpse of my own greatness that I witnessed in her possibility. Looking at it that way, everyone becomes fuel to your journey. In this season, we have to watch out because society in the conversation is saying, hold off. Wait. Let's make sure everything's safe for you to live. Well, I think the counter should be, no, I'm going to. I'm going to live safely. I'm going to live responsibly. I'm just going to pivot the way I live right now for this climate. I'm not going to go into hibernation and weight. I'm not going to, and I'm not saying to disrupt the safety protocols. I'm not saying that. My business has grown about 15 percent over the last five months which is insane. It's just it's insane. I got to look at it and go, what the heck happened? Well, what happened is I'm always looking for what, where do I need to pivot? I'm not waiting for what the world is going to tell me, I'm going, okay, wait, what do people need right now? Always operate from a place of service. That's number one. So it wasn't what business opportunity can I have right now? It wasn't, how can my business grow right now? My question when everything hit was, how can I serve people where they are right now? So I did 30 days of a diet of possibility to counter all of the other things that you're ingesting on the news. Let me give you 30 days of a diet of possibility. Every day for 30 days, I went on and I just did 15 minutes of possibility. And so I want to invite people to go hold on. If I called myself to touch the best version of myself, even during COVID, during Black Lives Matter, if I say I'm protecting my memories of myself, that my memories of myself 20 years from now will be based on the action that I'm in today. I want you to get that. That's kind of like some crazy, deep, sidewind or something. Like, I love that so much though, because I'm such a fan of everyone has a story to tell, right? And we look back at the story we had, but we don't focus as much on the story we're currently writing. Yes, yes. My grandmother says she's 91 years old. And my grandmother says, sweet heart, you're supposed to sit in your favorite chair and tell the story of your life. But right now, you and I, everyone that can hear my voice, you're supposed to do one thing. You're supposed to make sure that the story is going to be good to tell. Now, I add to that. You are not writing your life story, you're writing your legacy story. When you look at the people who made it possible for a young girl like you and a young girl like me to come together, look at us. We're crossing cultural lines, we're crossing geographical lines. We may be crossing religious and spiritual lines, social economic lines. We're crossing every line that our great, great, grandmothers could not cross. And we're crossing those lines right now, at least because someone had to purge the audacity, they had to shego the ego, the humility and the calling to write their legacy.

Not just their life story. That's even bigger. Your life story lives while you live

And it's your life story you read it at the end. It's your eulogy. Your legacy

feeds young girls

young boys

Black white Asian Latino, gay and straight who are not even born yet. That's big living. And I don't know if I'll do it. I'm not sure if my life is going to have a legacy that impacts generations after I'm going, but I'm going to spend this lifetime shooting for. I love that. And talk to me actually then about not knowing because I think a lot of people would be like, I need to cross that finish line to kind of give myself that, you know, congratulations. But I love the notion of you're never going to be done. If you're really in it for, you know, if you have purpose, my result, you're never done. That right there. Now I'm going to say something that might disrupt people, but that's who I am. Your ego wants to know about the finish line first. That's ego. That's, and it actually is more selfish than service. So it's saying, if I know where I'm going, and if I know that it's gonna work, and if I like how it's gonna end up, then I'll play full out. What? Do you think Martin Luther King played like that? Do you think

Harriet Tubman rose a part? Do you think Oprah played like that? Like these individuals said, I'm gonna play full out. And so when you say, I'm going to do it. I'm willing to live in the unknown. I'm willing to confront the uncom... By the way, the unknown is uncomfortable for all of us. So don't think that I'm back stroking in the unknown and I love it. But you have to be more obedient. You have to be more living in your conviction to be a disruption to the way life is today. And here's what I realize, people want to get clear before they fully get in action. And that's what you're seeing right now. People wanna get clear before they fully get an action. Well guess what? Clarity follows action. So when you get an action, clarity is revealed. So people are waiting, I'm gonna wait. I'm just, I'm gonna wait. I'm gonna wait till I get clear to play full out. I'm gonna wait till I get clear. And then clarity is going, well, just going wait until you get an action to reveal some more clarity to you because clarity isn't revealed from a dump truck. Clarity is revealed in a spoonful. But you have to be in action with the previous spoonful that you received in order to get the next spoonful. So you're trying to see 2,000 miles down the road and 2,000 miles is waiting for you to take 200 steps. So with you guys there's a phrase that I always say that is, I speak so I can understand not so I can be understood. And so it's me in real time when I talk. It's so that I can start to understand myself. And a lot of people won't speak until like what you said, they think to themselves, I've got it. I know it and now I'm going to speak out. And especially right now with the way the world is so much uncertainty that I think it actually serves us to speak up and talk about things so that as time goes on, I can understand myself more. Yeah. Yeah. And if you understand right now, the soil has been tealed. So we were all in our old thinking and our old thinking, thinking, shrinking thinking and our old limited thinking and all of our little nuances of the world. Our dirt was hard, meaning our mindset. Just this is how I think. This is how life is. Life is just this way. Black people having that mindset, white people having that mindset? Women, men, people of color, brown, everyone just come. This is the way it is. And then you have a massive, massive disruption like this required because now all of the heart dirt, heart, mindset, thoughts, belief systems, way of living. Now it's all tealed and it's all turned upside down. Well, what happens before you can plant new seeds, you have to till the dirt. You have to dish up the hard dirt, not comfortable, hard to experience, hard to do, difficult to live through. You till all this dirt. And before you plant to new seed, it looks like an explosion has occurred around us, which is what it looks like right now. Social explosion, mindset explosion, racial explosion, blame game explosion, political explosion, health explosion, everything is disrupted. That's the soil that's been tilled and everything is on earth. And then in the months and years to come, if we do our part, we will plant new seeds. And for the first time in many, many years, 50, 60, 70, 80, 100 years, the soil is tilled enough. Hashtag disrupted enough where the sea can actually get in. It can actually take root. And then we water it. We water it with consciousness. We water it with confrontational conversations, carefrontational conversations. We water it with courageous cultural conversations. We water it with awareness, cultural intimate proximity conversations and experience. We water it with with with with just education. We water it with action. And then maybe not in your or my lifetime, maybe so, but we got to be willing, even if it's not in our lifetime to sprout. A new tree of possibility, a new tree of connection, a new tree of awareness, a new tree of cultural sensitivity, a new tree of equality, a new tree of health and wellness. So we are at the very beginning of farming, a new way of being, a new way of living. Is it possible? Yes. Is it hard work? Yes. Is it disruptive? Yes. Is it, is it, is it taking too much time? Yeah. Are we impatient? Yeah. And we would not be here. If someone didn't plant a seed 60 years ago, we, you and I would not be here Well, um that's so powerful and I want to take it further because you are the perfect example of speaking truth and living truth So in saying all of that people that are listening right I'm sure they want to just like me want to jump up and scream

Oh yeah Lisa and then I switch off the video I stop listening to motivation things and I'm buying myself and all I have is that internal voice that is very much fearful of the struggle ahead that wants to Sooth me in every way, which means hide, don't confront, don't address the truth, don't try anything because, hey, if you fail, you are a failure. All these words and feelings start to bubble up. So Lisa, when you were in those situations, when you were a single mother, no one knew who you were, and your office was your tiny, tiny closet that could just about fit a table. How do you self-seed like what is that? What does it actually look like to do it? Because I agree if we can all do it the outcome will be beautiful but we all get it in our own way. Yeah absolutely so the we are a calamity of dysfunction dysfunctional experiences There's not one person breathing. I don't care. I don't care what television they're on how many followers They have this not one person breathing who isn't managing their own dysfunction I don't care what they tell you if they tell you they'll have it.. Right. Now, what our job is is to not try to deny the dysfunction, is to learn how to be with the dysfunction and still be a major service to our families and to society with the dysfunction. I know that sounds uncomfortable to hear, but we are all managing our feeling of insecurity, or we're managing our active comparison, we're managing our chatter. Am I good enough? Am I smart enough? Am I pretty enough? Am I young enough? So many times people would tell me how great I was, and I go, God, they have no idea about my past and how much I struggled. And I thought that if they knew that, that would discount who I was. I was so afraid to go on Oprah. I remember the night before going on Oprah, I'm like, they're gonna find out that I have issues. The smartest thing I did was just begin to yell from the mountaintop, hey, I have issues. I have major issues. I just have learned how to manage my issues and still be of service with my issues, with my dysfunction. I've learned how to perfectly manage my imperfection. Now, that's not to put Lisa down and that's not to put you down. That's to say, it's okay to bring your imperfection to the table. It's okay to let your imperfection touch

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