Mission Implausible is now something you can watch.

Just go to YouTube and search Mission Implausible Podcast, or click on the link to our channel

in our show notes.

I'm John Seifer, and I'm Jerry O'Shea.

We have over 60 years of experience as clandestine officers in the CIA, serving in high-risk

areas all around the world.

And part of our job was creating

conspiracies to deceive our adversaries. Now, we're going to use that experience to investigate

the conspiracy theories everyone's talking about, as well as some you may not have heard. Could they

be true, or are we being manipulated? We'll find out now on Mission Implausible.

So our guest today is Liz Oyer. Liz served as a pardon attorney at the U.S. Department of Justice. That office sits at the center of the federal clemency system that pardoning

commutation requests happen. And they can involve politics, public pressure, and sometimes a lot of misinformation.

Earlier in her career, she worked in private practice and also spent more than a decade as a federal public defender,

representing indigit clients in federal court. She studied at Georgetown and Harvard Law,

but after being fired by Pam Bondi, she has spoken out, sharing thoughts on the state of our

democracy. She's here to help us separate how the clemency process actually operates from the

narratives that often grow up around it. So welcome, Liz. Glad to have you here. Thanks for having me.

So I really appreciate how you're engaging publicly after a career inside. You're doing so in both

an entertaining and effective way and you're seeking to educate the

public. But as a former federal official who was proud of his work and loved it, I know how hard

it must be to be inside now, trying to figure out how to navigate what to do and what to do

if you leave. So what would you say to career DOJ staff who fear retaliation if they speak openly?

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