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I'm John Seifer.

And I'm Jerry O'Shea.

We have over 60 years of experience as clandescent officers in the CIA,

serving in high-risk areas all around the world.

And part of our job was creating conspiracies to deceive our adversaries.

Now we're going to use that experience to investigate the conspiracy theories everyone's talking about,

as well as some you may not have heard.

Could they be true true or are we being

manipulated? I'll find out now on mission implausible. So Will Summer is a returning guest in one of our

favorites. Will, as you know, is a senior reporter at the bulwark who spent much of the last year on

the lunatic beat. His newsletter, False Flag, discusses

the online communities where all these fringe ideas work their way into the mainstream of real

world politics. So as such, there's no shortage of material to discuss. Conspiracy theories are with us

everywhere. So welcome, Wilk. Good to have you. Hey, thanks for having me back. First question, let me just,

let's talk about the biggest conspiracy theory that might lead to a devastating outcome. You recently wrote about President Trump speaking on Dan Bongino's podcast. And Trump commented the Republicans should take over national elections, which of course is based on the ultimate conspiracy theory that any election he doesn't win was stolen, the 2020 election,

for example. You know, I think we're headed into this really kind of alarming area. I mean,

on one hand, I think for people who don't like Trump, I think in some ways, things are looking

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