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I'm John Seifer, and I'm Jerry O'Shea.

We have over 60 years of experience as clandestine officers in the CIA, serving in high-risk

areas all around the world.

And part of our job was creating conspiracies to deceive our adversaries.

Now, we're going to use that experience to investigate the conspiracy theories everyone's talking about,

as well as some you may not have heard.

Could they be true, or are we being manipulated?

We'll find out now on Mission Implausible.

Today's guest is Anthony Vincey, a former intelligence officer and entrepreneur who served as the chief technology officer at the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency.

He's the author of a recent book titled The Fourth Intelligence Revolution, where he argues

that we're entering a new era in intelligence, one shaped by rapid technological change, and the

growing challenge of China, AI, and the overwhelming volumes of data that can be used against us.

So in this conversation, we're going to dig into what that fourth revolution looks like,

what it changes for national security and organizations beyond government,

and what listeners should be paying attention to as AI helps spread conspiracies and impacts intelligence.

So welcome, Anthony.

Thanks for having me on. Appreciate it.

Yeah, of course. So in your book, you describe how intelligence has changed, and Jerry and I both

agree with that, specifically the rise of mass data, the data that we all

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