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The Ezra Klein Show

The Argument: Why the G.O.P. Can't Stop Saying 'Gay'

The Ezra Klein Show

New York Times Opinion

News, Government, Society & Culture

4.314.5K Ratings

🗓️ 3 May 2022

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

Today we're bringing you an episode from our friends at The Argument about Florida's “Don't Say Gay” bill and the broader wave of anti-L.G.B.T.Q. legislation, spurred by the political right, that is spreading across the country. According to the Human Rights Campaign, this year alone, more than 300 anti-L.G.B.T.Q. bills have been introduced in state legislatures. Why has this issue become a major focus of the Republican Party? And how is the way society treats individuals who identify as L.G.B.T.Q. changing? Jane Coaston speaks to her Times Opinion colleagues Ross Douthat and Michelle Goldberg about these questions and brings a deeply personal perspective to the table. Mentioned: “How to Make Sense of the New L.G.B.T.Q. Culture War” by Ross Douthat in The New York Times “Gender Unicorn” from Trans Student Educational Resources Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs. “The Ezra Klein Show” is produced by Annie Galvin, Jeff Geld and Rogé Karma; fact-checking by Michelle Harris; original music by Isaac Jones; mixing by Jeff Geld; audience strategy by Shannon Busta. Our executive producer is Irene Noguchi. Special thanks to Kristin Lin and Kristina Samulewski.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hey, Ezra Klein Show listeners, it's Jane Kostin.

0:09.6

Ezra is taking a break today.

0:11.1

He'll be back later this week.

0:12.7

And no, I'm not here to guest host the show this time.

0:16.1

I have my own show, The Argument.

0:18.3

Every week I hash out the big debates changing our lives.

0:21.2

This week it's on a spate of anti-LGBT legislation or parental rights legislation as you might

0:27.4

have heard it termed.

0:28.7

And as you'll hear, it got heated.

0:30.6

I have a lot of thoughts.

0:32.1

You can always send me an email at argumentatneuritimes.com and subscribe to the argument.

0:37.2

New episodes drop every Wednesday.

0:39.0

Hello.

0:40.0

Hi.

0:41.0

Hi, Jane.

0:42.0

How are you?

0:43.0

How's it going?

0:44.0

Good.

0:45.0

How about you?

0:46.0

I'm good.

0:47.0

I am here.

0:46.0

I'm also going to turn off my video since apparently that's what we're doing now.

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