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The Ezra Klein Show

Donald Trump Didn’t Hijack the G.O.P. He Understood It.

The Ezra Klein Show

New York Times Opinion

News, Government, Society & Culture

4.314.5K Ratings

🗓️ 6 May 2022

⏱️ 84 minutes

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Summary

Right now, Republicans of all stripes — Ron DeSantis, J.D. Vance, Mike Pence, Glenn Youngkin — are trying to figure out how to channel the populist energies of Donald Trump into a winning political message. The struggle to achieve such a synthesis is the defining project on the American right today. Its outcome will determine the future of the Republican Party — and American politics. To understand what the post-Trump future of the G.O.P. will look like, it helps to have a clearer understanding of the party’s past — particularly the chapters that many conservatives prefer to forget. Traditional histories of American conservatism view Donald Trump’s election as an aberration in the lineage of the American right — an unprecedented populist rejection of the conservatism of Ronald Reagan and William F. Buckley Jr. But Matthew Continetti’s new book “The Right: The Hundred-Year War for American Conservatism” flips that conventional history on its head. In Continetti’s view, the “populist” energies that Trump harnessed in 2016 aren’t anything new for the American right — they have always been central to it. The American right has always been defined by a back-and-forth struggle — and at times a synthesis — between its populist grass roots and its elites. I wanted to bring Continetti on the show because this history is crucial to understanding where the Republican Party could go next. And also because this is the first episode in a new series we are producing called “The Rising Right.” Over the next few weeks, “The Ezra Klein Show” will feature conversations with conservative writers, scholars and thinkers who are trying to harness the forces that Trump unleashed and build a superstructure of ideas, institutions and policy around them. But to see where that movement is going, you have to take seriously where it came from. Mentioned:“Can Reaganism Rise Again?” by Ross Douthat Book Recommendations:Let Us Talk of Many Things by William F. Buckley Jr.Making It by Norman PodhoretzThe Prince of Darkness by Robert D. Novak Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs. “The Ezra Klein Show” is produced by Annie Galvin, Jeff Geld and Rogé Karma; fact-checking by Michelle Harris, Mary Marge Locker and Jenny Casas; original music by Isaac Jones; mixing by Jeff Geld; audience strategy by Shannon Busta. Our executive producer is Irene Noguchi. Special thanks to Kristin Lin and Kristina Samulewski.

Transcript

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0:00.0

I'm Mr. Klein.

0:07.0

This is the Ezra Kahn Show.

0:20.2

In 2003, Matt Contanetti walked through the doors of love in 50, 17th in Washington DC.

0:25.9

It's beautiful building there, and into the nerve center of elite American conservatism.

0:31.5

That building housed DC puts it, the frontal cortex of the American right.

0:36.3

Or at least did.

0:38.0

Had the American Enterprise Institute, the most prestigious conservative think tank, sprawled

0:41.9

across that complex.

0:43.5

A few floors down was a weekly standard, the Neo-Conservative Magazine co-founded by Bill

0:47.4

Crystal and widely considered the most influential read in George W. Bush's White House.

0:53.2

The project for a new American century, a small think tank that played a critical role in

0:58.1

pushing the Iraq War was just down the hall.

1:01.2

Contanetti began as an editorial assistant at the weekly standard, but he quickly rose

1:05.4

up the ranks.

1:06.4

He became an editor there.

1:07.7

He even married into the family, becoming Bill Crystal's son-in-law.

1:10.9

He wrote a book defending Sarah Palin from the media's attacks and became the founding

1:14.4

editor of the Washington Free Beacon, a publication dedicated to what he called combat journalism,

1:20.7

which he explained very simply.

1:22.2

So, at the begin, we follow only one commandment, due unto them.

1:29.8

Contanetti was straddling two conservative tendencies that were about to rip apart.

1:34.5

The establishment, conservatism of George W. Bush, Bill Crystal, and the populist conservatism

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