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The Ezra Klein Show

Elon Musk Might Break Twitter. Maybe That's a Good Thing.

The Ezra Klein Show

New York Times Opinion

News, Government, Society & Culture

4.314.5K Ratings

🗓️ 29 April 2022

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

If Elon Musk’s bid to purchase Twitter comes to fruition, the world’s richest person will own one of its most important communications platforms. Twitter might have a smaller user base than Facebook, Instagram and even Snapchat, but it shapes the dominant narratives in key industries like politics, media, finance and technology more than any other platform. Attention — particularly that of elite leaders in these industries — is a valuable resource, one that Twitter manages and trades in. Musk understands Twitter’s attention economy better than anyone. On numerous occasions, his tweets have sent a company’s stock or a cryptocurrency’s value skyrocketing (or plummeting). So what would it mean for Musk to own Twitter? How would that change the platform? How might he use Twitter to change, well, everything else? Felix Salmon is the chief economics correspondent at Axios, a co-host of the Slate Money podcast and someone who has spent a lot of time thinking about the economics of attention, the way modern financial markets work and how money impacts the technologies we use. We discuss Musk’s possible motivations for owning Twitter, how Musk’s distinct brand of tweeting has reaped financial windfalls, what Musk understands about finance and attention that many others don’t, why Twitter is so powerful as a storytelling machine, why journalists are turning away from it, what a decentralized Twitter might look like, how Web3 resembles the 1960s “back to the land” movement, how Musk could break Twitter — but why that might end up saving Twitter — and more. Mentioned: “Elon Musk Got Twitter Because He Gets Twitter” by Ezra Klein "A Crypto Optimist Meets a Crypto Skeptic” on The Ezra Klein Show “A Viral Case Against Crypto, Explored” on The Ezra Klein Show “The Way the Senate Melted Down Over Crypto Is Very Revealing” by Ezra Klein Book Recommendations: The Bond King by Mary Childs Typeset in the Future by Dave Addey The Surprise of Cremona by Edith Templeton Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs. “The Ezra Klein Show” is produced by Annie Galvin, Jeff Geld and Rogé Karma; fact-checking by Jenny Casas, Michelle Harris, Rollin Hu and Kate Sinclair; original music by Isaac Jones and Carole Sabouraud; mixing by Jeff Geld; audience strategy by Shannon Busta. Our executive producer is Irene Noguchi. Special thanks to Kristin Lin and Kristina Samulewski.

Transcript

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0:00.0

I'm Ezra Klein.

0:07.0

This is the Ezra Conchell.

0:22.9

So I'm recording this Thursday, April 28th.

0:26.4

As of today, it's been a wild week.

0:28.5

Elon Musk is poised by Twitter in a roughly $44 billion deal.

0:32.9

If the sale completes, the world's richest person is going to own one of the most important

0:37.4

communications platforms there is, a platform that shapes narratives in politics and media

0:43.2

and finance and technology and so much more.

0:47.2

You may not care about Twitter or use it.

0:49.2

I know many of you don't.

0:50.6

I admire that.

0:52.1

But what happens there affects you anyway.

0:54.4

I'd argue the Donald Trump wrote his Twitter account to the presidency and of course used

0:58.9

his Twitter account very aggressively throughout his presidency, who is arguably his main communication

1:03.4

channel.

1:04.4

So things that happen there end up affecting the whole world, whether or not the rest

1:08.6

of the world wants to be there.

1:11.8

What makes Twitter powerful is attention.

1:15.8

It's a very liquid market for attention.

1:19.9

And I've been interested for a long time in the economics of attention and how they're

1:23.0

changing.

1:24.9

The classic analysis of this is that when information becomes abundant as it is becoming

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