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The Town with Matthew Belloni

The Animation Arms Race With Illumination CEO Chris Meledandri

The Town with Matthew Belloni

The Ringer

Society & Culture

4.31.1K Ratings

🗓️ 14 December 2023

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

Matt is joined by film producer and founder/CEO of Illumination, Chris Meledandri, to discuss a very weird year for theatrical animation, which featured a billion-dollar hit in ‘The Super Mario Bros. Movie’ and big misses with originals like ‘Wish’ and ‘Strange World’. Chris helps explain the business of feature animation, why original animated movies have been struggling, and how Illumination differs from the other major players in animation like Pixar and Disney Animation, DreamWorks, and more. Matt finishes the show with a box office prediction for the upcoming film ‘Wonka’. For a 20 percent discount on Matt’s Hollywood insider newsletter, ‘What I’m Hearing ...,’ click here. Email us your thoughts! thetown@spotify.com Host: Matt Belloni Guest: Chris Meledandri Producers: Craig Horlbeck and Jessie Lopez Theme Song: Devon Renaldo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:05.2

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0:07.9

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0:14.7

It is Thursday, December 14th.

0:17.3

Like in all the other aspects of Hollywood, it's been a very weird year for feature animation,

0:22.2

especially animated films and theaters. Over Thanksgiving, Disney had another big miss with Wish.

0:28.0

And this summer, Pixar suffered its worst opening weekend in decades with Elemental,

0:32.6

although that movie chugged along and ended up in the black with almost 500 million worldwide.

0:37.1

The Miyazaki movie is doing well for its lowered expectations in theaters.

0:41.1

But if there's a winner of the year so far, it's Illumination Entertainment,

0:44.3

which made the Super Mario Brothers movie that grossed $1.36 million in the spring,

0:49.6

enough for second place behind Barbie for films released this year.

0:53.2

And that's not an outlier for Illumination.

0:55.7

While Disney is synonymous with family animation, Illuminations movies over the past decade or so

1:01.2

have averaged $785 million at the worldwide box office. In fact, Illumination movies like

1:07.9

Despicable Me, all those movies, The Minions, Secret Life of Pets, Sing, and The Grinch.

1:13.2

They have a higher average box office since the first release of an Illumination movie than

1:18.1

any of the major players, Pixar, Disney Animation, DreamWorks, Sony, all the others.

1:24.5

Often at significantly lower budgets than the typical tent pole animated film.

1:29.4

Universal, which owns the stake in Illumination and releases its movies,

1:32.8

now has Illumination attractions at all four of its parks, five if you count Singapore opening next year.

1:39.1

And through their output deal with Netflix, the Illumination films really kill it on streaming.

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