The Ancient Art of Being Woman'd
Binchtopia
Julia Hava & Eliza McLamb
4.8 • 2.5K Ratings
🗓️ 20 May 2026
⏱️ 91 minutes
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Summary
Julia and Eliza reconvene for a long-overdue Girlboss Summit where they discuss two iconic indigenous women who survived by any means necessary: La Malinche and Sacagawea. Together the girlies explore the forgotten role of female translators in building the New World and investigate the fine line between traitor and victim. Digressions include society's rampant Michael Jackson psychosis, concert makeout etiquette, and celebs who are immune to being Woman'd.
This episode was produced by Julia Hava and Kylie Finnigan and edited by Livi Burdette.
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SOURCES
Malinche by Rosario Castellanos
Malintzin's Choices by Camilla Townsend
The Westerners: Mythmaking and Belonging on the American Frontier by Megan Kate Nelson
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to Binchotopia. |
| 0:10.6 | We hope you enjoy your stay. |
| 0:17.6 | Hi everybody. |
| 0:18.6 | Welcome back to Vinchopia. |
| 0:19.9 | I'm Julia Hava and I'm here with Eliza today. Hi. We're here for a girl boss summit of sorts. Of sorts. We were talking about the idea of the Girl Boss Summit. We were trying to remember like why we did those initially and like was it ironic. I think it was ironic at the time. Totally. But it's got now it's so late from that that I'm like it feels non-ironic. We're in like a post-irony age with the word. Totally. Now it's so late from that that I'm like, it feels non-ironic. |
| 0:38.1 | We're in like a post-irony age with the word girl boss, I think. |
| 0:42.3 | But I remember when we first started it, I think we were just trying to think of something |
| 0:46.5 | like a cute name for the idea of just talking about women from history that interested us. |
| 0:52.8 | Right. |
| 0:53.2 | Like to call Joan of Arc a girl boss, to call Sacagawea a girl boss, it seems completely ridiculous. Right. It limits kind of who you can talk about because at a certain point, people were suffering. So it's hard to be like, they were a girl boss. It's like they suffered. Yeah. And it's interesting because like the term girl boss was interesting to us at the time because |
| 1:13.1 | we were seeing kind of the hammer come down. |
| 1:15.9 | I feel like one of the major things that happened is like Glossier started going under |
| 1:19.3 | and then like obviously. |
| 1:20.2 | And then it was over. |
| 1:20.9 | So like stuff all started actually crumbling. |
| 1:23.9 | And then we realized that this like neoliberal promise of working your way up through |
| 1:28.4 | the ranks of capitalism to liberate women was not working. And so there was some kind of undercurrent |
| 1:33.6 | of like, oh, but these women were just like so awesome that we can use this silly moniker. But I don't |
| 1:39.3 | know where we are. I don't know where we are. In relation to the term girl boss, but we were just talking about it because it seems |
| 1:46.4 | like something to bring up before we just slap it on everything. |
| 1:49.8 | It made sense at the time. |
| 1:51.1 | It was a head of the time. |
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