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The AI Control Loop: When AI Goes Rogue - with Craig Thomas of Wallarm

Code Story: Insights from Startup Tech Leaders

Noah Labhart - Startup Founder & CTO

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5.0217 Ratings

🗓️ 24 June 2026

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Today, we are dropping another episode in our series The AI Control Loop, How enterprises govern the AI they've already deployed - sponsored by our friends at Wallarm. Wallarm is the AI Control Platform for Enterprise AI, protecting every AI workload, API, and application in production, giving CISOs the governance they need and CIOs the speed they demand. Organizations choose Wallarm for a complete inventory of APIs, AI agents, and AI apps, patented AI/ML-based threat detection and blocking that operates at production traffic speeds. In this episode, Craig Thomas, Sr. Solutions Engineer at Wallarm, examines what rogue AI actually means in practice, where the risk materializes, and what it takes to move from detection to control. Our Sponsors: * Check out Cash App and use my code CASHAPP10 for a great deal: https://click.cash.app/ui6m/mt82fpxl #CashAppPod. Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App’s bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. See terms and conditions at https://cash.app/legal/us/en-us/card-agreement. Cash App Green, overdraft coverage, borrow, cash back offers and promotions provided by Cash App, a Block, Inc. brand. Visit http://cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosures. * Check out Plaud AI and use my code CODESTORY for a great deal: https://plaud.ai Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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0:00.0

Hello listeners. Today we are dropping another episode in our series, the AI Control Loop,

0:07.2

how enterprises govern the AI they've already deployed, sponsored by our friends at Wallarm.

0:13.4

Wallarm is the AI control platform for Enterprise AI, protecting every AI workload, API, and application in production, giving CSOs the governance

0:23.4

they need and CIOs the speed they demand.

0:27.4

Organizations choose Wallarm for a complete inventory of APIs, AI agents, and AI apps using

0:33.0

patented AI ML-based threat detection and blocking that operates at production speeds.

0:39.6

In this episode, Craig Thomas, senior solutions engineer Wallarm, examines what rogue AI

0:45.6

actually means in practice, where the risk materializes, and what it takes to move from

0:51.5

detection to control.

0:58.1

Craig, thank you for being on the show today.

0:59.3

Thanks for being on Code Story.

1:00.5

Yeah, great to be here.

1:01.2

Appreciate it, Noah.

1:02.1

Absolutely.

1:08.1

Really excited to dive into our topic today around when AI goes row.

1:09.9

Excited to dive into that.

1:13.5

I'm excited to hear your perspective and bringing in all of your experience, including your experience with Wallarm. Before we jump into that topic,

1:18.4

tell me a little bit about yourself. Tell me in my audience a little bit about you.

1:22.3

So actually, my background, I spent over 10 years in Department of Energy in multiple roles

1:27.0

from a network engineer

1:28.0

all the way up to a CISO of the nuclear weapons plants.

1:31.5

So bringing the experience from the customer side in a highly regulated environment,

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