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Physical contact, we should, you know, really kind of dig into what the hell the need is to feel like you have to make physical contact with people that you don't know who aren't giving consent.

Right. Right. Even my husband asks if he can have a hug. And he doesn't have to. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Like if he came up and he just hugging me, I'd be like, I wouldn't be threatened by it.

But like, yeah.

Still, sometimes people need their personal space and always they need their space if you don't know them.

Always.

Correct. That's a good rule.

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My name is Rebecca Delgado-Smith, and this is The Aftermath. Hey, everyone, thanks to tuning to this episode of The Aftermath. Today we're speaking with guest

expert Kathy Scott. Kathy is an investigative journalist, veteran crime writer, and a New York

Times bestselling author. Her book, Murder of a Mafia daughter, The Life and Tragic

Death of Susan Berman, is a true crime book about the 2000 murder of Susan Berman.

Let's hear what she has to say about the Robert Durst murders.

Hi, Kathy. Thank you so much for joining us today.

It's my pleasure. Thank you.

And I appreciate you coming to us. I know you're at a coffee shop and we're able to find appreciate you coming to us.

I know you're at a coffee shop and we're able to find time to speak to us.

Yes, I'm writing today, so.

But I'm out, so I'm in my venue.

So your book, Murder of a Mafia daughter, was first released in 2002, and that was not long after Susan Berman's murder.

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