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It's easy to take democracy and civil society for granted, when it's all you have known.

Americans are aware of the repression and brutality in faraway lands, but for most, autocracy is

a word, not a threat, not a way of life. If you are born in an unfree state, like my guest

Alexander Matveitouk and I were, it is a different story. We were born in an unfree state, like my guest, Alexander Matveyichuk and I were, it is a

different story.

We were both born in the Soyuz, Soviet Socialistic Republic, known to you as the USSR,

Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

But our past diverged when the Soviet Union collapsed and disintegrated.

My nation became Russia again, and after less than a decade of fragile democracy,

it was dragged back into authoritarian darkness by dictator Vladimir Putin.

In contrast, my guest's newly independent homeland of Ukraine,

despite predictable struggles, has had a long

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