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I have several things in common with my guest in this episode.

Victoria Chmitti Nilsson and I were both born into Soviet republics.

We both became chess grandmasters, and we both left chess to enter politics.

I think it is fair to say that while I reached greater heights in the chess world,

as a former speaker of the Lysuania legislature, she definitely rose higher

in the political world. Her home of Vilnius Lysuania has a special place in my heart.

My first chess baptism by fire outside my home city, Baku, Azerbaijan, came at the old Union-use

games in Vilnius in 1973.

I was just 10, while most of my opponents were four or five years older.

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