Atheists, agnostics, long-haired winters, short-haired winters, bandwooligans.

I'm the government, hug the government, love, the government, hug the government, love, the government, the government, the government. Welcome to the politics, guys, a place for bipartisan rational and civil debate on American politics and policy. I'm Trey Orndorf, a political scientist at Oklahoma Christian

University, and I'm joined by Ken Katkin, a professor of law at Chase Law School, for this

Constitution show. So, Ken, welcome back to our ongoing sub-topic of the U.S. Constitution.

Yeah, it's great to be back, Trey. We're really closing in.

We are closing in. And as I've talked about this on our other shows, we are closing in on the

two-year anniversary of starting this. I'll remember I had just come into the space,

and I thought, we should go through the U.S. Constitution because we had had some supporters say, you guys should read through it. And I thought, well, just reading through it's not enough. We ought to actually commentate on it. Never in my wildest dreams did we, that I think, but this has been beautiful. It's been a lot of fun to continue to tackle this with you. But I didn't think of it as taking the amount of time that it did. But I'm so happy that we have

because now we have this huge repository, I think of some really good constitutional history,

constitutional commentary and background on pieces that I don't think a lot of people think about.

And if you're a supporter, that means you can actually go back and listen to all of this

and work your way through the U.S. Constitution.

And we are here today.

It's weird to say we've been slowly making our way through the amendments.

We have, of course, started with the Bill of Rights.

But we're now on the 25th Amendment. We're course started with the Bill of Rights, but we're now on the

25th Amendment. We're getting to some pretty recent constitutional amendments. The 25th Amendment

was ratified in 1967, and it was about clarifying presidential succession, and especially

trying to understand and think through what should happen if a president

becomes incapacitated, dies, resigns, or is removed from office. And it is in large part a response to

some of the ambiguity that was exposed by events, well, in 1963, by the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

And this was, and again, it's not as if Kennedy was the first person to have been attacked,

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