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It's the virtue.

Hi, so Michaela has been married for seven years now, and her husband has never given

her a present for Christmas. In the very beginning, he made a dinner for her too, but the meals,

those have gone away as far as the gift goes, to add insult to injury. He does get his ex-wife

presence from their kids, but Michaela has received nothing. Nothing at all.

Serbs are.

Yes, so as I said before, I think we got to start this with some curiosity. Let's try and

get in his head on why he thinks this is okay. You know what I'm saying?

Figure out his mindset.

Right. There's got to be some kind of reason, and then start texting.

Well, is the goal to find that out? Or is the goal just to change Christmas? Because I

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