This is the Friends Vista Debating Society. I'm John Bachelor joined by my colleague and friend,

Mako Jan, Mako Jan at Locals.com. Mako's been on the board of these last many hours,

before and after Title 42 expired. And we're going to carefully follow what Michael saw on the 11th,

Thursday the 11th, the day of the expiration of Title 42. The expected surge, the wane of the surge,

mixed reports. This is a vast long border. Michael's in Texas. And so on Thursday the 11th of

May, not a 2023, Mako Jan was at Gate 42. Michael, a very good day to you. What did you see or

expect to see at Gate 42? You were on the Texas side. What does it look like? Who was there? Hello,

Michael. Uh, Gate 40. Hello, John. I'm in El Paso right now just near one of the encampments,

actually near Sacred Hearts Church. And so this is where a lot of the aliens are really causing

some difficulties for the locals. But Gate 42 on the 9th of the 11th was, that's where all the

media showed up. So that's where the press conferences were. And that's where the, I call it, you

know, that's the old wrestling term, the K-Fag. In other words, just having the show, you know,

all the mainstream there, all the cameras and the trucks and the satellite dishes and all that

stuff. So, you know, so the government's getting their messages out. The National Guard was there

clearly helping with the invasion. And I use the word invasion because that is the accurate word

legally. And it's also the accurate word from a work correspondence perspective. The, now,

I was up and down the border. I was not just at Gate 42 at El Paso. It's interesting, by the way,

it was Gate 42 when Title 42 was, you know, why did they open Gate 42 when Title 42 is being dropped?

Was that a little message? I don't know. Anyway, it could have been quits. But so up and I was up

and down the border where there was no journalists whatsoever. We were finding all kinds of back

packs discarded where people have been cro- because remember, there's thousands of crossings.

It's not just Gate 42 or the Wres, you know, crossing or, you know, a amount of more is

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