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us at Deaf Panel underscore. So today, I am so glad to be joined by returning guests and good

friend of the panel, Marshall Steinbaum. Marshall is an assistant professor of economics at

University of Utah and a senior fellow in higher education finance at the Jane Family Institute. Marshall,

welcome back to the show. It's great to be here. I always love to talk about the disaster

of our higher education and student debt system on the death panel. I can't think of a better way

to spend my afternoon. Oh, that's so great to have you on, as always. I really appreciate you being

here and joining me to talk about this debt ceiling deal,

which passed the U.S. House and Senate last week, and then Biden signed it into law on Saturday,

which we're recording this on Sunday, so that was yesterday. This deal is going to set a number of

pretty catastrophic things into effect within our social safety net. So after, you know,

months of sort of arguments back and

forth over the debt ceiling limit, which was supposed to come about on Monday, they've reached

this agreement. The framing is that no one's really happy and that this is like a really

important compromise and that this is really evidence of how governing works. Now, Marshall, what's your read on that framing?

Well, I do think it's a very good window into how governing works, which is to say a bipartisan

consensus to screw over the American people. And I don't really buy that, you know, both sides

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