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TARIFFS: WRONG-FOOT. RICHARD EPSTEIN, CIVITAS

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 18 April 2025

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TARIFFS: WRONG-FOOT. RICHARD EPSTEIN, CIVITAS
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0:00.0

I'm John Bachelor with my colleague Professor Richard Epstein, teaches at NYU and the University of Chicago Law.

0:12.7

Also for the Civitas Institute, he publishes his reflections on tariffs.

0:18.7

Low tariffs lead to higher levels of domestic consumption and greater success in export markets

0:24.2

as the cheaper inputs lead to lower export prices.

0:28.5

All right, Richard, that's inarguable.

0:31.3

So given that statement, what is Washington up to?

0:35.2

What are they thinking?

0:37.1

What they're doing is they're preoccupied with deficit.

0:39.3

And deficits tell you very little.

0:42.3

And the best way I think to understand this is I'll give you just a little homely example.

0:46.3

You have two people, me and you.

0:49.3

And it turns out that what happens is you only sell to me and I only buy from you.

0:53.3

So if you look at this situation, it's an imbalance in the economy, right?

0:57.7

Because one of us is the debtor and one of those is credited.

1:01.5

But that's not the way to look at it.

1:03.2

Look at both of these transactions and ask the following question.

1:07.0

Do the first question transaction make us better all?

1:10.4

Well, John, you're a very astute buyer.

1:12.3

Another very astute seller. The answer is yes. What about the second one? Same answer.

1:17.5

And so the question is, if in fact both parties benefit from these transactions and the economy

1:22.7

expanded, why isn't we worried about the fact that I paid you and you didn't pay me?

1:27.8

All these accounts eventually borrowed out because I may be paying you for stock

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