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Today I speak with Rachel Abrams and Lee Holden.

Rachel is a medical doctor specializing in family medicine

and the author of the multi-orgasmic woman and the multi-orgasmic couple.

Lee is a licensed acupuncturist and an internationally known instructor in meditation, Tai Chi, and Chigang.

I spoke with Rachel and Lee about their work with Taoist master, Mantachia.

We discussed the wisdom of the Taoist sexual secrets of ancient China and how we can

apply these practices to direct and enhance the flow of sexual energy in our bodies.

So you two are teaching partners,

but, and you're also business partners,

but you're not actually sexual partners,

but yet you teach about sex together.

That is correct.

I'm curious if that gets a little strange.

Here you are spending all this time together,

you're talking about sex, how are you going to be

you not actually having sex

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