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You're listening to Insights at the Edge.

Today I speak with Carolyn Mace, a pioneer in the field of energy medicine. Carolyn is a medical intuitive, mystic, and the author of four New York Times bestsellers, as well as the

Sounds True audio learning programs, energy anatomy, sacred contracts, and transforming trauma.

I spoke with Carolyn about the nature of the soul. And sacred contracts and transforming trauma.

I spoke with Carolyn about the nature of the soul and what it means to heal beyond reason.

Carolyn, I know you are releasing later this year a new book on healing

called Defy Gravity Beyond the Bounds of Reason.

And this comes 10 years after you published Why People Don't Heal and How They Can.

And what I'm curious about is in the last decade, how has your view of healing changed and evolved?

Well, from why people don't heal, the insight that motivated me, inspired me actually to write

that book was at that time, I actually believed that everybody wanted to heal.

So it came as quite an epiphany for me to realize that the state of being healthy

involved a great deal more than the recovery of an illness from a person's body or mind or heart.

It really was the repair of... or mind or heart.

It really was the repair or the renovation, if you will, of an entire territory of power in a person's life.

It represented the reshaping of power negotiations between a person and all that person's relationships.

And the role that power played in healing and in being healthy, that health was in fact a different level of power.

You raised the bar on how you were going to interact with the whole of life,

with creativity, with your high-functioning self,

and that that, in fact, was more intimidating to people than the pain of being ill.

And I never connected that dot until I connected that dot, 10 years ago, which produced the

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