Hey everyone. Welcome to the Conversations that Matter

podcast my name is John Harris I'm staying at my parents house right now some of

you know I'm in between I'm in the middle of a move I should say and and behind me I thought I'd show you all is the garden

It's a fairly large garden and I spent many of my years growing up picking up rocks in this garden, weeding, killing potato bugs,

rototilling, all that kind of stuff.

So you can see there's corn and squash and beans and there's actually a pretty large raspberry bush back there as well and

so we'll probably be working on that later in the year but what I wanted to talk to you about

is something that has been on the list for a little while and it

goes back to something Ed Stetser said on numerous occasions and he's probably still saying

it. I'm going to show you the clip first the first time I saw Ed Stetster say this.

Basically what he does is he says the reason that conservatives in the Southern

Baptist Convention are upset about critical race theory is because they're just listening to

too much secular cable news. So here's the first clip.

Ed Litton, who has championed racial reconciliation, narrowly defeated Mike Stone, the favored

candidate of a far-right faction of the group.

To assess what this all means, we are joined now by Ed Stetser. He is part of the Southern Baptist

Convention and he's executive director of the Billy Graham Center at Wheaton College

in Illinois. Ed Stetser, welcome very much to you to the news hour. Tell us what

does this election result say about the Southern Baptist Convention?

I think the election was a fork in the road.

It was a decision that time that had to be made.

We had one candidate, you mentioned Ed Litton, who prevailed in the presidency, who was calling

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