Welcome to the conversations that Matter Podcast. My name is John Harris. We are going to talk today about a video that I saw online from Todd Freel, who's someone that I respect. I've

gleaned a lot from Todd Freel over the years. I used to be involved in

campus ministry years ago and I used to listen to at that time it was way the

master radio and then it became wretched radio but his interviews that he'd do on college campuses and there

was a while every day I was listening to the full whatever it was three hours of wretched radio

two hours I think. And so I have a lot of respect for

Todd Freel. I've gleaned a lot from him, but I wanted to comment on this video and I

at first I thought I'm not going to do this you know I I really like to talk I don't want to talk about this but more I thought about it the more I thought you know this is a great example of something I've noticed for probably two or three years now, and that is that there's kind of a divide in the conservative evangelical world and those who are theologically conservative and politically conservative who they don't particularly

care for critical race theory or social justice or any of that stuff the egalitarianism that they don't want the soft peddling of LGBTQ stuff, they just, they want the

faith wants to deliver for all the Saints.

And top frills in that category, I'm with them there, as far as I know.

However, what I've noticed is, and I could in my mind right now, I'm thinking of a whole bunch of names that I'm not going to name all of them,

because this isn't, they're not false teachers for this, but what I, it is, in my opinion, a dangerous thing,

it's in some ways, because, I'll tell you what I'm talking about.

Some people get hung up on whether or not some of these social justice teachers

or those introducing social justice teaching are Christians.

The major concern that they don't want to call someone who's a brother, not a brother, or accuse

them of introducing false teaching to the point that it sounds like they may not even be Christians

and they just really want to stay away from that they're very careful of that and

then there's and I'll put myself into this category there's those of us who see

this as destructive heresy, a different religion.

In fact, the book that is coming out soon that I wrote is called Christianity and

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