This is exactly right.

I'm Kate Winkler-Dawson. I'm a journalist who's spent the last 25 years writing about true crime.

And I'm Paul Holes, a retired cold case investigator whose work some of America's most complicated cases

and solve them.

Each week, I present Paul with one of history's most compelling true crimes.

And I weigh in using modern forensic techniques to bring new insights to old mysteries.

Together, using our individual expertise, we're examining historical true crime cases through a 21st century lens.

Some are solved and some are cold, why. I want to tell you about an episode that I don't know if you've heard yet that I recorded for Wicked Words. I feel like I've interviewed some big names, including you, of course, like a David Grant and, you know, all of these, I feel like really big nonfiction folks.

And then across my email comes, do you want an interview with Marcia Clark?

Oh, okay.

So I was just awestruck. I really was. And she could not be sweeter. And the interview is fantastic. should listen to it it is not about oj okay

nor did she want i don't know if she ever wants to talk about o j simpson ever again she

like she says she sort of blocked it out of her mind essentially where were you when that case was

going on were you in northern california or central or where were you no i, I was working for the Sheriff's Crime Lab at the time.

In fact, I was somewhat following the case.

It was a big deal in forensics because of all the evidence,

particularly DNA that was being presented.

And so we were following it pretty closely.

In fact, I actually faxed information down to the LAPD

crime lab because they're criminalists obviously didn't know what he was talking about when it

came to crime scene photography. And the defense was really exploiting him on the stand. And I was

like, okay, you need to really understand how focal length with

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