This is exactly right.

I'm Kate Winkler-Dawson. I'm a journalist who's spent the last 25 years writing about true crime.

And I'm Paul Holes, a retired cold case investigator whose work some of America's most complicated cases

and solve them.

Each week, I present Paul with one of history's most compelling true crimes.

And I weigh in using modern forensic techniques to bring new insights to old mysteries.

Together, using our individual expertise, we're examining historical true crime cases through a 21st century lens.

Some are solved and some are cold, very cold. This is buried bones. Hey, Paul.

Hey, Kate. How are you?

I'm doing well. I'm ready to get into this case again, this missing woman who goes to find her fiancé on his chicken farm and then vanishes.

And her parents are so upset about it. And then we make some pretty big discoveries.

And I know I left you hanging on this case the last time, and we know that

things have gone very badly for Elsie.

Well, I would say so, I mean, considering she's dismembered and scattered around Norman's

potato farm and chicken coop areas. So it's not a good place to be.

I want to give a little trigger warning.

We have some talk of suicide in this half of the episode. So I just want everybody to know that

we will be talking about someone taking their own life. So we're in England, 1924. There's a young

woman, you know, named Elsie Cameron. She's engaged to a guy

named Norman Thorne who has a chicken farm outside of London. She lives in London. They're, as I said,

engaged, but he is creating some distance. And after a few years of dating and then they become engaged maybe about a

year earlier, she says I'm pregnant. He says I'm in love with someone else. And she says, I'm coming up on

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