This is CBSI in the world. I'm John Bachelors with Gordon Chang at Gordon G. Chang. I'm John

Bachelors and I'm very pleased to welcome Garrett van der Weiss at John Professor of George

Washington University's elite school of foreign affairs as well as teaching at George Mason

University. Professor Nancy Pelosi, when Speaker of the House, traveled to Taiwan to meet

with Tsai Ing-wen, the President of Taiwan, elected 2016. Now, Tsai Ing-wen has traveled

to North America not only to visit her friends in New York, but also to visit with the speaker

of the House, now Kevin McCarthy. Is there a difference between traveling to Taiwan

to meet with the President by the Speaker and traveling to the U.S. for the President

to meet with the Speaker? From the point of view of the People's Republic of China, threats,

threats, threats. Have you seen any change in the atmosphere in Beijing between these two

events? Good evening. Well, Cherna has worked itself into a spin over this meeting very

much in the same way it overreacted to Nancy Pelosi's visit last summer and it's strenuously

objects to these meetings because they see this evidence of support for Taiwan at the

highest levels of the U.S. Congress and it doesn't like that because it wants to isolate

Taiwan internationally and push President Tsai into a corner. Of course, since the summer,

when the military exercises did take place, the situation has changed because of the fact

that the U.S. and China has become, in a sense, more hostile to each other because of

a number of events in the meantime, including the spy balloon that came over the United

States. But Tsai Ing-wen has successfully maneuvered herself out of that corner that Tsai

is trying to push her into through her death diplomacy, through her travels, and her

emphasis on human rights in democracy, which is of course what the repressive rulers in Beijing

don't like. Gordon, you have a question for the professor. So, Garrett, do you think that because

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