Hey there. Welcome back to Not Just Paleo. I'm your host, Evan Brand, and I told you last week that I had four new interviews that I put up on my action guide website, Rimrehab.com.

And I just wanted to try to help you more than just give you a guide and hope that you don't just read it and then just store it on your e-reader and then

you just forget about it and you just add it to the other pile of books that you have.

So in spite of giving you these interviews, I'm going to give you a discount coupon also

for podcast listeners at rim rehab.com.

It's REM 20 and you get 20% off.

That's all I got for you, and I'd love it if you gave me a review on iTunes, and that's it.

So let's get into it.

All right. Well, I'm back here with author T.S. Wiley, the author of one of my favorite books called Lights Out.

And this was a book that I found at half-priced books

out of all places.

No, I'm just laughing because I tell people buy it on Amazon. You used. Yeah. I found it there.

And I'll tell you, you talk about getting a bang for your buck.

Your book was awesome.

So, welcome to the show.

Thank you very much.

I'm happy to be here.

So your book, which I need to pull out here so I can read a little bit about it to people, it's called Lights Out, Sleep, Sugar, and Survival.

And you talk about many, many different things, but the most key thing is that you say that people are dying for a good night's sleep, which is pretty a big deal because I just wrote a book all about sleep.

And I interviewed a bunch of my friends to talk about

neurotransmitters and foods and how all of that ties into sleep. So, you know, you're probably

another person that I could add to that list someday. But I guess maybe we should talk about what got you

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