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Hello, welcome to the Bullwark podcast.

I'm your host, Tim Miller.

Delighted to welcome back, my friend, the co-host of the weeknight on MSNBC. She was a top spokesperson and communications director and strategist for Bernie Sanders and Kamala Harris. And I don't know, a million other people. It's Simone Sanders. How you doing, girl? Greetings. I'm well. Simone Sanders, Townsend and my, my little, I don't even know what we're calling this, but my coiled situation are checking in. You're looking good. Simone Sanders, Townsend, excuse me for not giving you your full, you know, your full name. I just want to be able to go home Yeah, I don't want to get in trouble with your man. You know, I'm just throwing, I'm just going to throw back to where we first met.

We're going to throw back to where we first met.

We're going to talk about this at the end.

I just want to shout out on October 11th, MSNBC's host on MSNBC Live 25 in New York. Simone will tell you more about that at the end. but if you're interested in that the bulwark also has a show that night october 11th but but we sold out. Now, it's a smaller venue, you know, so we're more indie, right? But if you can't make it to see us, you should go see Simone and some other people. Come see us. We're at the Hammerstein Ballroom. Oh, man, it's going to be fantastic. All day long. So, check that out. More at the end. we got to talk shutdown politics. So the government is shut down right now.

You were agitating back in whatever it was, March, that the Dems do what they're doing right now and go to the mat on this.

And so I'm wondering what you make of the strategy, what we've seen so far, you know, now that we're,

what, about a day and a half into this thing. First of all, I think that it is refreshing, frankly, to see the Democratic elected officials on Capitol Hill

coalescing around an issue, coalescing around health care and saying, we know what is about

to happen to the American people in this country.

So we are going to use the tools that we have, the one tool, the one piece of leverage that we have

as the minority party in this Congress.

And that is they need our votes.

We're not going to supply our votes

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