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The Bulwark Podcast

Ken Burns: You Have To Be A Bulwark

The Bulwark Podcast

The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.68.9K Ratings

🗓️ 1 October 2025

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

A government shutdown begins, as a standoff over spending enters what could be a painful phase. And President Trump kicks off the week warning his military leaders about facing an invasion from within. Ken Burns joins Tim Miller to talk about his new documentary, “The American Revolution,” what lessons from history he tries to apply our current politics and how the country has navigated unrest in the past.

Show Notes:

  • Bulwark Live in DC (10/8) and NYC (10/11) with Sarah, Tim and JVL are on sale now at TheBulwark.com/events.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hey, everybody, when I booked the great Ken Burns to talk about the sweep of history and give us some perspective on where we are now.

0:06.9

I hadn't expected the U.S. government to shut down the night before.

0:10.4

So a couple of quick thoughts on that.

0:13.3

I don't know.

0:13.6

Anybody who's been listening every day knows I've just been kind of torn about this shutdown in the sense that I don't think that the strategy is very clear as far as

0:21.6

what the exit strategy is for the Democrats. With that said, though, I think that there is

0:27.8

something to the fact, now that we're in it, that the Democrats have an opportunity that they need

0:35.5

to seize to use it as a rallying cry and as a flashpoint

0:41.2

for the fight. You know, I think that a lot of people, and we discussed a little bit on the

0:45.6

next level yesterday, people are just kind of going about their days amidst all this chaos. And

0:50.5

it's hard to, you know, find a locust for people to get them to lock in unless they have a

0:55.5

particular issue, you know, that is affecting them, whether it be the tariffs or immigration,

1:00.2

if you're in an immigrant community or if you're trans.

1:02.7

But for a lot of folks, you know, there's kind of all this chaos swirling around them,

1:07.6

and in order to galvanize them, you need an inflection point. And for some folks,

1:12.9

this could be it. And it is truly insane that the President of the United States wants the

1:18.6

opposition party to fund a government when he is not going to the legislative branch to ask for

1:27.0

approval for funding for his tariff regime

1:28.9

that is hurting huge sectors of our economy, that's hurting farmers as we discussed this week,

1:34.3

hurting small business owners, hurting all consumers who go to Walmart.

1:37.6

What he's doing is illegal, and if he wants the government to be funded, then it should

1:42.4

go through the normal constitutional route and he should

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