Anyway, Chuck, thanks for coming, bro.

Thanks for having me.

I brought you here to figure this thing out, okay?

Oh, yeah, you got some questions.

Since you're such a big thing in coffee.

I just kind of want to get everybody's vibe on what does sustainability mean, not even necessarily

for us as an organization, but individual hot takes on what is sustainability?

What do you think sustainability is?

And what should people be looking at in terms of, oh, geez, people throw around that

word a lot and nobody really knows what it means.

Yeah.

And I'm going to give like my angle on sustainability, which is maybe like, which is more like the

sustainable like livelihoods of producers we work with. I mean, there's obviously like

the environmental sustainability, which is maybe a bigger question we can get into as well.

But something, I don't know, a part of it that I'm really passionate about is actually like the

producers' livelihood sustainability.

And then when we buy coffee, that's something that, you know, I want to be more and more

intentional about as we have the like, you know, as we have the time and energy and everything

to continue to build on like

that side of the sustainability program that we have.

So when we're talking about livelihood, what does that, what does that mean?

If we're saying sustainable livelihood for coffee producers that we're buying coffee from.

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