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Hello, welcome to another episode of Pop Bear Hikes.

As we continue to highlight some of the cottage industry manufacturers of

outdoor gear, we bring with us today a guest who is located here in my home state of New York,

down in New York City, or in a, he's been manufacturing backpacks and has some accessories,

such as stuff sacks, to go with it.

I'm going to let him tell the story, but Livio Mala, welcome to Pop Bear Hikes.

Thank you, thank you for having me.

Thank you for the, the time in, in the platform.

Let's start out, telling us about you first and your background.

Well, as far as the recreating outdoors goes, I'm new to all of this.

It's the, it's the most recent thing I would say, as far as the things I do,

my background is in design, product design.

I went to school for, for industrial design and, and focus on furniture design.

It wasn't really, I never really know about the outdoors, even though, you know, a lot of my,

I guess, most profound like experiences have been outdoors,

stuff that I'll never forget, and to think about it now, it's like it's was shaped.

All my philosophies about making and, and sustainability has been that love for the outdoors,

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