Hello, this is the Red Box Podcast. I'm Matt Chauley in Westminster, where we were for

Sue Gray Day. The report came out while we were on air. It was all very exciting. We rang

the bell a lot and tried to pick through all of the new detailing colour that Sue Gray

had to offer. I think it was quite, I mean, there's lots of interesting stuff in there.

The vomit, the wine on the walls, the people leaving it to in the morning, the fight,

all that was quite interesting. For me, I think the standout bit was more the fact that they

knew that what they were doing was wrong. We were told not only there were no parties,

but no rules were broken. And there's lots of email chains and WhatsApp messages, which

points the fact that, you know, they knew they shouldn't have been doing it. So they shouldn't

have been walking around with bottles of wine. They shouldn't have been caught on camera doing it.

So that's probably the big takeaway on it. Has it made any difference? Well, Boss Johnson

later on gave a statement in which he said he was humble and apologised and took responsibility.

It's not clear exactly what that means in practice. Here's Starmer caught him to resign.

Of course, he hasn't. Anyway, coming up, we will unpack Sue Gray in full with Lucy Fischer and

Patrick McGuire. But first we kick off with our columnist panel and today we had a special trio

joining me on college green just across the road for the House of Parliament. But Alice Thompson

and Quentin let's the time sketch writer and down the line from the studio was Robert Crampton.

Sue Gray, how big a deal is today?

I think it's fairly big. Frank Johnson, former late times sketch writer, always said that

the aim for any journalist in politics should be maximum chaos. And I think we're getting quite

long way along now. It perhaps doesn't feel quite as big as last time around because everybody

now knows about the parties, but these photographs are new. So that's going to provide some news value.

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