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Hello, this is the Red Box Podcast. I'm Matt Chewley, not Sue Gray. Coming up on today's

episode is the Red Wall of Red Hearing, a really interesting conversation about a new report

out which basis suggested politicians were too obsessed with the Red Wall or at least everyone's

idea of the Red Wall is slightly different and it might mean that they're missing out on the

voters who really counts. That's coming up on our big thing at just a moment. Before that, of course

it's our columnist panel. No David O'Brien of one of which this week is offering a sparrowside.

So instead Daniel Finkelstein was joined by Patrick Kidd. The columnist on time's radio.

Yes, and normally at this time we'd be joined by Finkelvich, but David O'Brien of one of which is

I don't know what he's doing. I assume it's some sort of sparr break.

Maybe he's climbing that ladder he keeps behind him when he comes in on the Zoom.

So we are joined by Daniel Finkelstein. Hello, morning.

And Johnny's in the studio, Patrick Kidd. Morning, Matt. Morning, nice to have you both here.

Finkel Kidd. Much better rolls off the top, rolls off the top. I'm afraid Kidd is a Scottish name

from Dundees, so it's all a bit grim and a little bit normal. Finkelstein isn't. Finkelstein and

everyone of it wonderful. Thank you for asking me, Matt, what I've achieved in the last five minutes.

Very kind of you. What have you achieved in the last five minutes?

Well, that's true in the last 48 hours. Yesterday I submitted my book. I've been working on for nearly

three years and... Is it a mills and boon book? If mills and boon involved concentration camps

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