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Steven Hahn Unmasks the Myth of Liberal America

The Gist

Mike Pesca

News, Politics, Arts, Daily News

4.43.6K Ratings

🗓️ 7 August 2025

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

Diplomacy via tweet rarely ends well, but US ambassadors are now flailing into their way through international tensions with sarcasm, memes, and zero restraint. Plus Steven Hahn, NYU historian and author of Illiberal America: A History, joins to unpack how liberalism has always shared the stage with its illiberal twin. From eugenics to temperance to the penitentiary, Hahn explains how our progressive myths overlook the darker undercurrents of American history.

Produced by Corey Wara


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0:00.0

It's Thursday, August 8th, 2025 from Peachfish Productions.

0:07.2

It's the gist.

0:08.5

I'm Mike Pesca.

0:10.0

Recent spats, diplomatic spats, have not been handled diplomatically.

0:15.1

For instance, after Emmanuel Macron, I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right,

0:20.6

declared his or France's intention

0:22.8

to recognize the Palestinian state as a state. American ambassadors took to Twitter,

0:32.0

that you've got to say X, formerly Twitter, to assail him. U.S. ambassador to France,

0:37.1

Charles Kushner did not like it. U.S. Ambassador to France, Charles Kushner did not like it. U.S.

0:40.1

Ambassador to Israel. Mike Huckabee got sarcastic, quote, I can now exclusively disclose that France

0:46.5

will offer the French Riviera and the new nation will be called Frankenstein.

0:52.5

I don't get it, but that's okay. I do note that the New York

0:56.9

Times says the statements by the two American ambassadors were further evidence, if any were needed,

1:01.7

that old notions of diplomacy and alliances have evaporated since Mr. Trump took office. I have some

1:07.8

evidence that it was before, and it's not Trump causing it. He's the symptom.

1:12.0

It's the fact that our communications are so much quicker. It's getting in the way of

1:16.2

reasoned diplomacy. Similarly, Israel Katz, who is Israel's foreign minister. That's really the

1:25.2

best country for him to hold that job. After Spain and Ireland did what France

1:30.8

recently did, declare that they would be recognizing a Palestinian state, he put up some stock

1:37.2

footage of a couple dancing flamenco and sent a message to Spanish leadership, Hamas, thanks for your service.

1:45.5

But this goes way back, well, at least as far back as social media.

1:50.0

The Chinese have a lot of diplomats called the Wolf Warriors,

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