Not Her Type: E. Jean Carroll vs. The President
The Gist
Mike Pesca
4.4 • 3.6K Ratings
🗓️ 6 August 2025
⏱️ 46 minutes
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Summary
E. Jean Carroll joins to talk about the lawsuit she won, the president she sued, and the dressing room encounter that changed everything. The author of Not My Type: One Woman vs. a President opens up about the attack by Donald Trump, how she fought to be heard, and what it took—mentally and emotionally to face him in court. They talk trial prep, media backlash, mock juries, and what it means to be believed. Also, what happens when the guy in the courtroom points at your photo and says it’s his ex-wife? Carroll shares how she got her name back—and why she's not stopping there.
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| 0:00.0 | It's Wednesday, August 6th, 2025 from Peachfish Productions. |
| 0:08.5 | It's The Gist. |
| 0:09.5 | I'm Mike Peska. |
| 0:10.8 | And my guest today for the whole show is E. Jean Carroll. |
| 0:15.1 | You know her. |
| 0:16.4 | She was a longtime columnist for many an outlet and recently won a multi-million dollar case against |
| 0:24.7 | one Donald J. Trump. The book is called Not My Type, One Woman versus a President, the |
| 0:31.5 | Donald J. Trump president. But I will say there is something of, I don't really think it's |
| 0:36.2 | an elephant in the room, but there's a cadre of people who don't believe E. Jean Carroll. |
| 0:41.6 | They don't believe that she was sexually assaulted in a dressing room in Manhattan many years ago. |
| 0:47.1 | And we talk about what exact year. |
| 0:48.7 | And I took that idea. |
| 0:50.6 | I took that critique seriously. |
| 0:52.4 | And I waited into the conversation, what was the best case |
| 0:55.9 | against E. Jean Carroll. And I'm not here to say, and I listen to, I listen to Megan Kelly, |
| 1:00.8 | and I listen to a few of the critics. And I'm not here to say that I'm 100% sure what happened. |
| 1:07.2 | No, no one can be, right? There's a great unknown at the heart of it. But I am here to say that I wouldn't put Eugen Carillon on if I disbelieved her. And so in coming to my conclusion, whether to interviewer, and I'm glad I did, it's a great interview. I took a number of things into account. A few of them will get to in the interviews, things that maybe make her more believable. But consider this. If you're like, should we even listen to this woman? And I know a whole bunch |
| 1:31.7 | of you are like, of course we should listen to her. It's part of a pattern of what he does. |
| 1:36.6 | Here are some of my other considerations that got me there. One, there was a jury trial. And even |
| 1:43.1 | though it's a preponderance of the evidence standard, |
| 1:46.2 | there was a trial. And I don't totally defer to that. But that is a big data point. Is it not? |
| 1:52.9 | And unlike most of her critics, the jury heard the whole case. And Donald Trump was represented |
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