David Crowder, I want more big government laws.

I want more censorship. I thought you were past this. You're talking about a foreign government, right? The communist Chinese government, who clearly do not have the best interests of Americans at heart. This is a government who has a vested interest in the destruction of Western civilization. We know that they're spying on American citizens. We know that they have their hands on the scales of democracy here in the United States. I mean, I've been banned from TikTok for saying that Xi Jinping has a small penis.

TikTok's... citizens. We know that they have their hands on the scales of democracy here in the United States. I mean, I've been banned from TikTok for saying that Xi Jinping has a small penis. TikTok. TikTok. TikTok. TikTok. TikTok. TikTok. TikTok. TikTok. The CEO of free speech. They're the CEO of censorship. Do I think that the American government's president of citizens? Sure. I also don't think that the communist Chinese government should be buying American farmland. They own a lot of your ass, Mr. Crowder.

Stay Xi Jinping as a small penis. See how far you get.

My next guest is a passionate defender of free speech and a ferocious critic of censorship.

Last time Stephen Crowder joined Uncensored, we locked horns on the subject of Alex Jones,

airing our conflicting views on whether everyone deserves a place on a privately held digital platform.

I don't think that people like Alex Jones should be allowed an unchallenged, unfettered public

platform to spew lies, which are done deliberately, in my estimation, dispute lies. Unchallenged.

Are you out of your tree, sir?

Now it's censorship of an entire platform that's up for debate.

The US House of Representatives has passed a bill requiring TikTok owner bite-dance

to sell the social media platform or face a total ban.

Critics say it's a Trojan horse for sweeping digital censorship. One of them, Professor Jeffrey Sachs, told me the US government is far more likely to spy on him than China. Is he wrong? Would you join me to discuss that and much more? As the man himself, Lauder with Crowder, host Stephen Crowder. Mr. Crowder, welcome back. Thank you for having me. I'm a little nervous because, you know, we had such a good interaction our first go-around. Sometimes I feel like the second one, you want you want spicier. No, not at all. I enjoyed the last encounter. I want real as what I were on. Let me start. Last time, pretty much your position with me about Alex Jones was, don't be a free speech hypocrite beers.

This time, I'm going to start by throwing that allegation back at you and say, how can the King of Free Speech be wanting to censor Americans from an entire platform that they absolutely love?

Well, first off, let's not go straight to King.

I know that you're using your binocular.

We can CEO, president, I'll accept.

I don't really see how it would be hypocritical.

You know, my issue is, we've talked about Section 230, right?

And this is where companies need to either be viewed as platforms, right, be viewed as

public utilities. They benefit from that. They don't have the same legal liability that publishers

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