If you lock 2 million people in a concentration camp, don't react with shock at what happened on October 7.

All they were war crimes.

They are not war crimes at all.

But we're not letting you impose a double standard on me.

No, I'm going to finish my statement.

It's an abomination to even suggest that martyrdom

could justify what happened on October 7th Shane this is Jewish science fiction

everybody's listening now here's Morgan has a very large audience here is ever

tell them to stop you the issue of settlements I I think, is pretty much indefensible.

There's one legal, international, legal body that says the blockade of Gaza is not a collective punishment.

You would not condemn the Nazis, Hitler, Goebbels, and Gehring, because they too went through suffering after the end of the First World War.

It's despicable.

One of the things I'm told most often in debates about the Israel-Hamas war from both sides

is that history didn't begin on October the 7th, and that is true.

There's no context that justifies the Hamas terror attack that day,

but it's wrong to deny that any context existed before that.

Six months on from the atrocity,

we're debating that context here in more detail.

There's not an argument about 3,000 years of ancestry and who got there first,

but it is about the conflict of conditions over the last century

that frame almost everything about the war that's raging today.

My two guests are scholars with deeply opposing views

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