From KCRW, Santa Monica and KCRW.com, this is The Treatment.

Welcome to the treatment, which you can also hear at KCRW.com. We're in an unusual spot to record the show this week at the London Hotel.

So my guest is director, Steve McQueen, who was first here with his film, Hunger,

which won the camera door at the Cannes Film Festival.

His new film is shamed.

Steve, thanks for being back.

It seems like you're trying to go sideways through all the seven deadly sins in these films.

Thank you for inviting me again on your show.

Back was sideways, upside down.

I don't know.

It's just, they come as they come.

You know, you have the cars and you sort of turn them over.

Oh, okay.

That's what I have to do next.

It's going to lose.

But it feels like so much that pride is is a part of this movie in some weird way you know misplaced pride and sorrow well i think the sorrows is key i think there's this element of time

with sorrow isn't there and i think of course we've banned paper michael fathbin that it's in him

from the get-go.

We all carry a lot of luggage with us in our lives.

All stories, scars, things which happened to us.

I mean, we're all like magnets.

Things stick to us from our past. And, of course, what we carry, what we want to sort of carry with us.

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