From KCRW, Santa Monica and KCRW.com, this is The Treatment.

Welcome to The Treatment.

You can also hear the show at KCRW.com.

You know comedian Mark Maren for many things.

His great book, Jerusalem Syndrome, which is about the time we first met when the book came out.

It's a cult classic.

It's still readily available.

There are plenty of copies of the first printing available.

But in addition to his ability for self-deprecation, he's best known nowadays for his show he's been doing since

September of 2009, WTF, because we're regulated by the FCC. We can't really say the title,

but I definitely say WTF to you. And thanks for being here. Sure, thank you. I'm glad you could say

that. New York Times wouldn't say that. They wouldn't say WTF. I couldn't believe it. They would not print the letters, WTF. I'm like, really? Is that where we're at?

I mean, what level of integrity you're operating at that you can't, a podcast that has a name that's bad?

You can rant for a little bit longer. We only got like another 26 minutes ago, so what else is on your mind?

Oh, I can go. I have no doubt. But here's something I want to ask you. We never really had a chance to talk about before. Since I've been doing a show, it's like 15 years now, people I know, and you've had a lot of people in the show that you know, say, when I come on your show, it's like you're a different person. Do you hear that from people when you interview them afterwards? It's like you're a different guy. Yeah, they're like, you're a nice guy. I didn't know what to think. I was intimidated. I was

nervous, but you're very pleasant. I think I show up in my best form when I'm talking to

somebody else. I think a lot of people have assumptions about me because of, you know, I got a little

baggage. I've been, I've been different people in my life. I've had some mishaps and some bad

encounters and some attitude problems. Many of which have materialized in the show, the two

part of Louis C.K., for example, I think it's like a piece of classic, I don't know what you

can exactly call it, but confessional radio. Yeah, it was something. It was definitely

emotionally loaded, and it was heartfelt, and it was, you know, we worked

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