Hi and welcome to the working songwriter, the show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop.

I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest,

and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration,

on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran,

having to return to nightclubs after playing stadiums for two decades,

or else a scrappy upstart, trying desperately to upgrade to nightclubs from coffee shops.

This is your show, because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most, an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey, everybody, it's the first Friday of March 2025, and I thank you for joining us.

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