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Hey, what's our friend? Grand Baldwin here. Welcome back to the speaker lab podcast. Good to have you

here with us today. We appreciate you hanging out and joining us. We've got a great show for you, a great guest in a great conversation talking about all things speaking. Before we get there, if you haven't already, I know I've talked to you about it a lot, but you've got to make sure you check out our new book, The Successful Speaker. You've got to pick it up. It is out in bookstores everywhere today on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, wherever books are sold, make sure you pick up the successful speaker. You got to pick it up. It is out in bookstores everywhere today on

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your first gig or your 100th gig. You're looking to add more systems and structure to your speaking business. You need that book, the successful speaker. Make sure you go pick it up. All right. So today we're going to be talking with my friend John Gordon. John is a professional speaker and author and all around great human being. John has been in the speaking business for several years. We talked through how he got his start. He started doing a lot of free gigs. We talked about the pros and cons of that. He also talks about a message and it's kind of, it's kind of woo-woo. It's kind of for everyone, which also means it's kind of for no one. So we talk about how he positioned that. Let's talk about how he begins to think about his business beyond just speaking,

beyond the stage. We talk about the differences between being an entrepreneur and being an artist.

So it's really, really a good conversation. He also, he throws in some wisdom at the end about

speaking bureaus. So a lot of good stuff here from John. I think you're really going to enjoy this.

So let's jump right into this conversation with Mr. John Gordon. Enjoy it.

Hey, so friends. Grant Baldwin here. Welcome back to the Speaker Lab podcast. Today, joined by Mr. John Gordon, speaker, author, extraordinary. The guy has written so many books. The most recent Stay Positive is out. Well, I'm sure we'll talk about that. But John, thanks for joining us. How are you? Grant, great to be with you.

All right. So we were talking a little bit beforehand. I'm going to throw a curveball at you. We both are speaking a lot this week in particular and even a lot today. What do you do to protect the throat? What are the secrets, the tricks that you use? For me, it is manuka,. Manuka is antiviral, anti-bacterial.

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