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Now on to today's episode with Ariel.

Hello, everyone. Arielle here, and my amazing guest today is Dr. Stan Tatkin. So, question for

y'all, are you cooped up with someone and you might be feeling a little bit more anxious than usual

and possibly there are moments of the relationship that are not going so smoothly?

Do you possibly wish you had more tools to help support yourself and your partner through

this process, whether that partner is your husband or wife or your child? Well, Dr. Kattackin is on the forefront of

couples research and therapy, and he's the founder of Pact, the psychobiological approach to couples

therapy. He'll share with us how to observe and understand where our partners are coming from

and how to regulate your and their behavior in some interesting ways.

He also, which I didn't realize before we started communicating with one another, is a muse user,

and he'll be employing muse in some of his psychobiology research. And I have to say,

I've begun to use some of the insights that he shared with me with my spouse, and it has

already helped. So I'm very much looking forward to everybody hearing what Stan has to share

and to bit by bit improving the relationships inside of our very packed homes. Welcome, Stan.

Hi, Ariel. How are you? I am wonderful and even more wonderful for hearing your voice. Hello. Thank you. And I'm sorry I had such a problem with my camera. Yarden should know that I had technical problems with spilling tea on my computer this morning. So that's why my camera isn't working. Otherwise,

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