Welcome to Karen Hunter is awesome.

I am Karen Hunter, and I am committed to us getting there.

We need to get there together.

And Stacey Abrams, who didn't make it to governor of the great state of Georgia,

but has not quit on us. She has a podcast that she every week is talking about how to get to

power and how to fight autocracy and how to win back democracy. Her podcast is called Assembly

Required with Stacey Abrams, Assembly Required, and she has 10 steps to save democracy. We talked

about it with her, and I want you to hear it. Oh, and Kevin Powell was also with me on this discussion,

so stay tuned for that. Joining us, she, this close to being governor of the

great state of Georgia, this close, former minority leader of the Georgia State House. She last

week launched a nationwide education and mobilization campaign. And when I talk about, what are you doing,

as Joe Madison would say, what are you going to do about it? Well, Stacey Abrams was like,

this is a mess. I'm going to roll up my sleeves and I'm going to come up with a plan. And it's 10 steps to autocracy and authoritarianism. She lays it out and she's here today to talk about it, the one and only Stacey Abrams. Welcome back. Thank you so much, Karen. It's pleasure to be here and Good to see you, Kevin. Great to see you. Wow.

Let the people know. So Kevin, they were, they were catching up because Kevin did a cover piece for, who did you do?

It was for the Washington Post magazine, 2020. And States, I got to tell you, it was one of my favorite pieces that I've ever had the honor of, I felt like I followed you

around for a couple of months and then I got to meet your parents.

And, you know, Karen, you say it all the time, who's solution oriented, Stacey Abrams?

I mean, Stacy, thank you for who you are.

Thank you for your vision for this country and for all people.

And, you know, you have continually created spaces, organizations, institutions, energy. And I just need to say that. People are like, it disturbs me when people say we have no leadership. Well, yes, we do. There are folks like Stacey Abrams who have been doing this work for a long time. I just wanted to say that before anything else. And y'all can read the article on Washington Post's website. But just thank you. Thank you. Thank you for what you do. That is incredibly kind. And I mean, we were going to start to charge you rent if he stayed any longer. So it's lovely to spend time with you. But more importantly, you know, Kevin, those are incredibly kind words. And I want to say one thing about that, because we

keep looking for leaders. I think we're looking for the wrong thing. We need to look for leadership.

Leaders are about being who, which person is going to be anointed. Leadership is about what are you

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