Yeah, so on the SASS side, and this COVID thing is actually for us just perfect.

I hate to say this because it's stable for a lot of people.

But for us, it's just perfect because it pushes us and it pushes our cost more towards

staffs anyway.

So I think we're going to be hitting 12 to 30 million.

So more than 100% growth in ARR.

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