It was less about trying to get rid of that control and more about finding the things in my life that actually added value.

And like once I started knowing what I wanted to do with my life and actually pursuing that and getting really like excited about those things

and not feeling like I needed these other things to control or to obsess over or to identify with,

I actually really felt like some freedom from that.

I'm gonna let it out. Let it out. I'm Katie out. Thank you for being here. This week's guest, Natasha Zoe Garrett, is, well, she's incredible. As you'll hear in just a few moments, she's wise and creative and deep and genuine and thoughtful and introspective and truly one of the most

stylish people I have ever been in person with in my life, but stylish in this effortless,

cool way where she's comfortable with herself.

And she lights up the room when she walks into it with

her curiosity and kindness. And she has this softness to her. And she's really the best. You

might have seen her as a model. And you might recognize her from some of your favorite brands

that she's modeled for.

And you probably know her as the founder of Rome Vintage, everybody's favorite vintage shop.

We talk about both in this episode, her modeling career and starting her business.

Plus, we take this in many directions.

This conversation covers mental health and... Plus, we take this in many directions.

This conversation covers mental health and quitting modeling and coming back to modeling. Eventually, we talk about the new place she's in right now with non-attachment and embodiment.

And we get really into, in this part of the episode,

mental health.

And she candidly shares a lot about what she's gone through

and the understanding she has of her mental health now,

including depression and anxiety and panic attacks

and eating disorders. And we get into that as well as

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