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Do This, NOT That: Marketing Tips with Jay Schwedelson l Presented By Marigold

SPECIAL SERIES == How We Use AI 🤖 <== | BATHROOM Break #61 COLLAB: The Marketing Millennials + Do This, Not That

Do This, NOT That: Marketing Tips with Jay Schwedelson l Presented By Marigold

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Growth, Education, Email, Business, Revenue, How To, Entrepreneurship, Marketing, Profit, B2b, B2c

5 • 715 Ratings

🗓️ 23 June 2025

⏱️ 10 minutes

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Summary

A new special series is here, and yes, it’s short enough to fit between meetings—or bathroom breaks. Jay Schwedelson teams up with Daniel Murray for a 10-minute hit of marketing smarts, and this one’s all about AI. They go beyond the basics to talk prompt jacking, answer engine optimization, and why your ad swipe file should be best friends with ChatGPT.

Best Moments:

(01:57) The easiest AI workflow for repurposing transcripts into 10+ pieces of content

(04:05) How to test if your website is “answer engine optimized” for ChatGPT

(05:35) Why checking the sources ChatGPT pulls in matters—and how to use them

(06:08) Prompt jacking 101: reverse-engineer viral images and posts instantly

(07:03) Daniel’s trick for writing headlines in the style of Ogilvy or Halbert

(08:10) Yes, there’s an F1 movie and yes, Daniel is hyped

Follow Daniel's show The Marketing Millennials and let them know on LinkedIn what topics you want next.

Prompts from this episode:


1. Podcast/Transcript Repurposing Prompt

Described by Daniel Murray:

Upload your transcript to ChatGPT and prompt:
“Act like [insert expert type—e.g., paid media strategist]. Based on this transcript, what are the top 5 takeaways that would matter most to someone in that role?”
Then:
“Format this into [a tweet thread / LinkedIn carousel / email / blog post, etc.].”

2. Answer Engine Optimization (AEO) Prompt

Described by Jay Schwedelson:

Start by asking ChatGPT:
“I’m looking for the best software for [your industry/problem].”
If your company doesn't show up in the answer, follow up with:
“What prompt should I use to audit and optimize my website so that it becomes a top recommendation when someone asks that question?”
Then feed it your URL and ask for specific improvements.

3. Source Analysis Prompt

Daniel adds a follow-up idea:

“Can you analyze the sources you used to generate this answer? Why were they selected, and what makes them authoritative?”
This helps reverse-engineer the pages ChatGPT is favoring in its answers.

4. Prompt Jacking / Image Reverse-Engineering Prompt

Jay’s tip for swiping viral content:

Screenshot a viral post or ad and upload it to ChatGPT (or another AI tool) with:
“Reverse engineer this image. What prompt would generate something like this for my brand?”
Customize the elements it gives you.

5. Copywriter Style Prompt

Daniel’s favorite for headline writing:

“Act like [David Ogilvy / Gary Halbert / Joseph Sugarman]. Write 10 headlines for this product in their style.”
Or combine styles:
“Mash up Ogilvy and Halbert and write variations in their tone.”

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to a new special series called The Bathroom Brink.

0:05.0

That extra 10 minutes, you either have to listen to marketing tips or use the bathroom or both.

0:10.0

But I don't recommend both, but that's your choice.

0:13.0

This collab is going to be super fun.

0:14.0

We have Daniel Murray from the Marketing Millennials and me, Jay Schwettleson, from Do This Not That podcast and subjectline.com.

0:21.5

Each episode in the series, we are going to go over quick tips about different marketing topics.

0:26.4

And if you want to be in the bathroom, fine.

0:28.8

Just don't tell us about it.

0:30.1

Thanks for checking it out.

0:33.4

We are back for the bathroom break.

0:35.4

This is Jay Schwettleson from Do This Not That.

0:37.1

I'm here with The Man, The Myth, the podcaster, Daniel Murray from the marking millennials. Daniel, before we

0:41.4

get into AI and tricks and tips and stuff about AI, I want to know, I need to know what are you

0:47.5

watching right now. You're at home. You're putting on TV. I want to know what Daniel and Ari are watching right now. Yeah, we're in, we're kind of in limbo right now.

0:55.9

Like, we watch sirens.

0:57.9

We watched all, like, the new shows, and we're trying to figure out our next show.

1:02.5

Like, do we start, like, an old show?

1:04.5

No.

1:04.9

When we watch it, we've got to come up with a new show. I did for me personally I just put it I didn't know the show existed but I watched

1:13.3

like the Kentucky dirt like the horse racing documentary which I think is really cool because I love like

1:19.6

the F1 documentary. I like the tennis one. I know you hate stuff like that but it was actually it's

1:25.1

pretty interesting. I didn't know like how much goes into it with trainers and owners and all. You're such a nerd. I was hoping you were going to say

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