Special edition with Paul Mason: Decoding Trump’s madness
The Two Matts
The New World
4.2 • 577 Ratings
🗓️ 19 January 2026
⏱️ 36 minutes
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Summary
The last 72 hours have been extraordinary and historic. And we still don’t have a clue what it all adds up to. But there are things we now know. Trump is on a collision course with European nations over the future of Greenland and Keir Starmer is stuck in the middle of an angry EU and a desire to placate the giant orange man baby. Joining the Matts this evening to argue through the meaning of these fast-moving events is New World contributing editor Paul Mason. Enjoy!
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| 1:36.3 | Well, we are doing this, the first of our kind of ad hoc podcasts because of the events over the weekend and today have taken quite a spectacular |
| 1:46.7 | turn and we've got with us to help navigate our way through the consequences of these |
| 1:52.0 | kind of minute by minute breaking stories involving Trump, Greenland, Kirstama, NATO, the rest of it. |
| 1:58.8 | We've got with us the great Paul Mason, who is contributing |
| 2:02.5 | editor to the New World, but also more importantly, a great expert in defence, which is at the |
| 2:07.9 | heart of this issue. Hello, Paul. Good evening. That list of players, Trump, Kea Starmer, Greenland, |
| 2:16.1 | you know, polar bears. |
| 2:18.8 | Norway. |
| 2:19.9 | Norway. |
| 2:21.0 | It's like, it's a part of the world we don't normally think about. |
| 2:25.7 | And our view of it is most of us have never been there. |
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