Welcome to the counseling tutor podcast.

The must listen to podcast for counselors, psychotherapists and counseling students.

Here are your hosts, Worrily's Oaks and Ken Kelly.

Hello and Rory Liz Oaks and Ken Kelly.

Hello and welcome to this special edition of the counselling tutor podcast.

I'm Rory and today I'll be flying solo. Well my co-host Ken takes a well-earned break.

We know that human connection is a key factor in achieving positive

therapy outcomes. And with that in mind, I'm thrilled to welcome back a familiar voice,

one of our frequent flyers on the podcast, Meg Moss, Head of Policy at the National

Counseling and Psychotherapy Society. Today we'll be

discussing how NHS policy design could support a wider range of therapeutic approaches. So Meg,

welcome back. Hello, Rory. Thank you. Yes, lovely to be back.

Yes, yes, as I say, a frequent flyer. And today's discussion is, I think it's a really

important one about how we evidence good outcomes in therapy? What is the secret formula for showing positive outcomes

in therapy? And there's a bit of a collision between ways of collating data. And I'm thinking

regarding maybe how the NHS connect data and the wide

array of research that actually shows what makes therapy work. I wonder what conclusions

you're coming to, Meg, on that. Yeah. So, you know, we, so you and I and, out of anyone in practice, know that human connection

is vital for effective therapy.

And common factors research, which I know you know an awful lot about, shows that the most significant predictor of therapeutic success isn't necessarily the specific intervention use, but the quality of the relationship between therapists and the client.

So that alliance, so how safe, how understood

and how engaged the client feels,

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